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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, then you have no idea what you're talking about. Employers provided coverage which didn't include contraceptives; that's a fact, thus your premise is negated.

    The mandate required them to provide that coverage.
    And now they can't. Get over yourself. This is just religious stupidity at it's finest.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm sure if you did have insurance companies specifically excluding cancer treatment, you'd see the government stepping in to insist that they did cover it.
    Wow, you have no idea who I am if you think I would support that.

    The government has no place mandating these matters.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I see you're one of those people socially incapable of having an adult conversation. Duly noted. Carry on.
    Then you must be looking in a mirror.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And now they can't. Get over yourself. This is just religious stupidity at it's finest.
    How many people mentioned religious reasons in this thread for being against this? Just wondering.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    There was a mandate for birth control coverage in 2000 ....but it was only after and in response to the 1998 mandate for Viagra.



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    The 2000 birth control mandate is exactly nine years before Obamacare and a lot of Republicans voted for it.
    1) This speaks to nothing I said in what you quoted.

    2) Your link is about Medicaid, not a mandate on employers.

    3) It's a state issue and entirely unlike Obamacare.

    4) It's about female fertility drugs, not "birth control."
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Let us suppose that instead of birth control, Ms. Fluke would like breast implants. Unlike birth control, getting these implants might very well cost more than she can easily afford to pay for out of her own pocket.

    Would it be fair for her to demand that others pay for her breast implants?

    Can you see why I might have a problem with being compelled to bear part of that cost?

    What if she wants a fancier car than she can easily afford? Or a better computer? Or any other luxury?

    Why should anyone other than herself be forced to buy her the things that she wants?
    Your comparisons are laughable and don't make one iota of sense. You cannot compare breast implants (which are solely cosmetic) to birth control (which is ofter prescribed to help a woman dealt with her monthly flow). you do know that, right?

    Now tell me, Bob, following your logic, do you think it's fair that others pay (through pooled insurance, of course) for medications needed for someone who has wrecked his/her health with cigarettes? Do you smoke, Bob?
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    And now they can't. Get over yourself. This is just religious stupidity at it's finest.
    A stupid non-response to my pointing out that you're factually wrong -- but thanks for admitting it, at least.

    Thank you also for wasting time; I pointed out several posts ago you weren't going to agree, given your obsession against religion and complete lack of any respect for religious freedom, so it was pointless even to try.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Health insurance should pay for the big stuff, not birth control. Same as auto insurance. Auto insurance should not pay for oil changes and car washes.

    If people are worried about the poor having birth control, I am sure if they can afford cigarettes and beer they can afford birth control.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It IS her fault. It is a weakness and it is a lame ass excuse.

    Who else opened her legs and then failed to move out of poverty? I don't think it was me and I don't think it was you. Who was it? Oh right, her.

    And credible evidence that this is weakness, really?
    Some would argue it's the fault of the socio economic conditions that were forced on her....especially in the South where whites control the legislation that makes access to birth control almost impossible. The pro-life agenda seems to be founded on keeping poor black women bare foot, pregnant and uneducated to help perpetuate the cycle of poverty for her and her offspring so they can't compete with whites for the better paying jobs.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Some would argue it's the fault of the socio economic conditions that were forced on her....especially in the South where whites control the legislation that makes access to birth control almost impossible.
    Some would notice that blacks are not held down from pulling themselves up to the top and they are smart enough to not have more kids than they can afford. When you make dumb choices you pay of them and the person in your example made some really dumb choices. She then went and failed completely on moving up.

    The pro-life agenda seems to be founded on keeping poor black women bare foot, pregnant and uneducated to help perpetuate the cycle of poverty for her and her offspring so they can't compete with whites for the better paying jobs.
    Honestly the pro-life movement is racist? Do you have any idea of the history of the two movements? The pro-choice movement was started as an ant-woman movement and certain parts of its history have been very anti-minority. If you don't know the history of PP it might be in your interest to look into that.

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