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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What was Rush saying during the Clinton/Lewinsky controversy?
    No, but I certainly was... along with the numerous MLB steroid hearings, etc.

    I will say, though, that at least with the Clinton Impeachment hearings... there were several legitimate issues that were brought up... that weren't about his enjoyment of cigars... and he was rightly censured for them...

    1) perjury, lying to the grand jury...
    2) abuse of power, by getting her positions she was not qualified for...
    3) sexual harrassment, demoting her position based off of expected sexual contact...

    Again, if he was doing this in his own private property, that's one thing... He was doing this on government property, on government time... and using political powers to get her positions in the DoD that she was not qualified to be working... then once this came to a head (pun intended), he then demoted her position and moved her work location away from DC, to hide what had been going on... That IS completely wrong... and we ALL know what the definition of "is" is...

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're not forced to pay for it. Your taxes are collective. You don't get to pick and choose what your taxes go toward, any more than someone can pick not to have their taxes fund the military. You pay, it all goes into a big pile, the government spends it collectively.

    You ought to know that.
    It was about the mandate to employers.

    But even so, even if it were about tax money, no one is demanding others not have access. Again, you know this. Or you should know this.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    It was about the mandate to employers.

    But even so, even if it were about tax money, no one is demanding others not have access. Again, you know this. Or you should know this.
    Employers pay a set amount, they don't get to pick and choose what they fund either. You don't get to decide you're going to pay for this kind of health care and not that kind of health care, you just pay for health care.

    Come on, you can't not understand that.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Employers pay a set amount, they don't get to pick and choose what they fund either. You don't get to decide you're going to pay for this kind of health care and not that kind of health care, you just pay for health care.

    Come on, you can't not understand that.
    What are you talking about? Employers choose policies with the coverage they wish to provide, and exclude coverage they don't wish to provide.

    If they couldn't do that, there wouldn't be an issue, and there wouldn't need to be such a mandate.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You're ****ing joking right?

    This is what you said:



    How is that not weakness? Explain to me please what else that could possibly be.
    The poor having more kids than they can cloth, feed or support perpetuates a cycle of poverty that crosses generations. It's just that simple. But when low income and poor women have access to birth control that cycle is broken because then she can afford go to school and get a better paying job and plan her family according to what she can afford. It gives low income families a better chance of rising up into the middle class and they can afford to give their kids more opportunities than what they had.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The poor having more kids than they can cloth, feed or support perpetuates a cycle of poverty that crosses generations. It's just that simple. But when low income and poor women have access to birth control that cycle is broken because then she can afford go to school and get a better paying job and plan her family according to what she can afford. It gives low income families a better chance of rising up into the middle class and they can afford to give their kids more opportunities than what they had.
    So basically its not weakness that she is having more kids than she can afford to cloth and feed and her dumb ass choices are keeping her poor. Right.

    You know what? It is weakness, it is stupid and they have no one to blame but themselves. No one owes them **** to cover up their stupid..

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What are you talking about? Employers choose policies with the coverage they wish to provide, and exclude coverage they don't wish to provide.

    If they couldn't do that, there wouldn't be an issue, and there wouldn't need to be such a mandate.
    Let me know when you come up with a policy that specifically excludes cancer treatment.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    A simple question.
    No.

    We should pay for everybody's contraception who wants it.

    And that includes for men as well.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Let me know when you come up with a policy that specifically excludes cancer treatment.
    Silly strawman. To hear you tell it, every policy covers Rogaine, too.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Silly strawman. To hear you tell it, every policy covers Rogaine, too.

    If you're not going to be serious, there's no point in going on.
    I am being serious. I'm pointing out that you don't have a choice. You are not specifically funding contraception, it's not an option. You argue that you're not trying to stop people from using contraception, yet you're trying to get out of allowing it on a general policy.
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