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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The whole "every insurance company has to cover contraception" is just a prelude to Obamacare.
    Good a reason as any to get it nipped now.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Good a reason as any to get it nipped now.
    Only if we're getting rid of Obamacare entirely. If we're going to have it in any way, shape or form and it costs no more to have contraception covered than not, why not have it covered?
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because it doesn't change the fact that, it's already affordable and easy to access for middle and upper income women, who are predominately the group that benefits from this.

    Poor women tend to not have insurance, so the point is moot, that it helps them.
    Water is good for my health, my insurance should pay for my water bill.
    Yes, poor women according to the poverty thresholds set.

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    48 Contiguous States and the District of Columbia
    Persons in
    family/household Poverty guideline
    1 $11,170
    2 15,130
    3 19,090
    4 23,050
    5 27,010
    6 30,970
    7 34,930
    8 38,890
    For families/households with more than 8 persons,
    add $3,960 for each additional person.

    So a family of four that makes 24,000 a year is not considered to be in poverty and not entitled to assistance.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Only if we're getting rid of Obamacare entirely. If we're going to have it in any way, shape or form and it costs no more to have contraception covered than not, why not have it covered?
    For reasons you won't agree with.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Because it doesn't change the fact that, it's already affordable and easy to access for middle and upper income women, who are predominately the group that benefits from this.

    Poor women tend to not have insurance, so the point is moot, that it helps them.
    Water is good for my health, my insurance should pay for my water bill.
    So what? What about other insurance covered medications? Do you think they shouldn't be covered because they are affordable? Or, are you a true Libertarian like Lizzie and this everyone should cover their own drug costs, period?
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I admit that I don't really know too much about how insurance companies work like you do. Why will be so expensive if everyone is chipping in a just a little bit?
    Demand goes up when people don't personally see the costs, in other words people who choose not to use BC now will see it subsidized so more will use it. At least that is the prevailing theory, but besides that it is not my responsibility to cover optional treatments for people I don't even know, it's kind of insulting actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    It's likely that it will cost more to pay through a third party payer, than if people had just purchased it themselves, out of pocket.
    Administration and processing costs add to it.
    This is a big part of it, plus the fact that when insurance companies pay the cost to the company goes up to cover "can't pays". Doctor's offices, pharmacists, etc. make up what they cannot recover by charging higher prices for third party.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Of course, by the time one reaches Ms. Fluke's age, one ought not be in need of parents. Thirty years of age ought to be considered to be very solidly into adulthood—old enough to take responsibility for one's own needs and wants, and even old enough to appropriately be a parent oneself.
    Indeed, but people of my generation are a little slow when it comes to independence and others can't stop thinking they are owed something by other people just from their very existence on the earth. They can't seem to grasp that just because they are here does not mean anyone has to do them any favors.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Yes. Contraception should be covered under a universal single payer health care system.


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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Indeed, but people of my generation are a little slow when it comes to independence and others can't stop thinking they are owed something by other people just from their very existence on the earth. They can't seem to grasp that just because they are here does not mean anyone has to do them any favors.
    I don't think having insurance cover birth control is really comparable to that.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    Because she said her kids are a gift from god, she is a conservative?
    Pro-life, southern, religious influence highly suggests that she has conservative values, yes. Or did you just assume that all religious conservatives were white?


    Conservatives have an "entitlement mentality" too. They take more than they put in and then bitch about the government. It's like they don't have a conscience, it's all just me, me, me, take, take, take, and blame, blame, blame.

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