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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Oh, I don't doubt you, but I have heard the money thing mentioned often. And while I believe there is some truth to it... can't do anything at a loss if you close shop, after all... I don't believe that companies are that heartless.
    It's not a loss yet, though I don't know how companies will be able to stay compliant and competitive after that turd passed and was upheld. The problem is that there isn't a lot of room margin wise, which could end up in a bad result if things hold up.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It's not a loss yet, though I don't know how companies will be able to stay compliant and competitive after that turd passed and was upheld. The problem is that there isn't a lot of room margin wise, which could end up in a bad result if things hold up.
    I admit that I don't really know too much about how insurance companies work like you do. Why will be so expensive if everyone is chipping in a just a little bit?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I admit that I don't really know too much about how insurance companies work like you do. Why will be so expensive if everyone is chipping in a just a little bit?
    It's likely that it will cost more to pay through a third party payer, than if people had just purchased it themselves, out of pocket.
    Administration and processing costs add to it.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I was referring to the posters here.
    I'm sure there are plenty of far-right nutballs here who would want to deny women contraception as well.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There has been a movement to cease sending taxpayer dollars to PP for some time now as well, you may have noticed it pops up here occasionally . But that is a government purchase (with our money, agreeably), not something I directly engage in.

    But this isn't about taxes going to PP, it's about whether or not we can force Catholics to purchase something that is against their religious beliefs.

    It's the difference between saying "you oppose the war in Iraq, but you're still going to pay your taxes", and "you oppose the war in Iraq, so we're going to make you help shoot these Iraqi kids." The one is materially different from the other.

    And yes, before you go hyperbolic on me, that is how Catholic doctrine see's it. Killing children is killing children to them, be they in the womb or out of it.
    It's only within the last few years that some rumblings about Planned Parenthood have made it to the B side of news. And no, it's not something that Catholics or yourself directly engage in. Tax payer money is pooled together then distributed accordingly to a zillion pieces of pie. One of those pieces is Planned Parenthood.

    Now I'm a bit puzzled as to why the same does not apply to government-funded insurance. People pay a premium, and the funds go into a pool and it's distributed according to need, no? So, basically, what is the difference between both? Catholics will not be forced to use birth control, so I fail to see why it's even an issue.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm sure there are plenty of far-right nutballs here who would want to deny women contraception as well.
    I'll put it this way: I have yet to see anyone on this forum imply, or say, that they don't support the right to contraceptive use.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I'll put it this way: I have yet to see anyone on this forum imply, or say, that they don't support the right to contraceptive use.
    You mean Tigger hasn't responded yet?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Philosophically, or practically?

    If practically, then, well, you're wrong, because the taxpayers foot the bill for quite a bit of it.

    If philosophically, this flies in the face of your "so what" from earlier.
    The taxpayers should never have to pay for health care for anyone, Obamacare notwithstanding. However, if we're going to be forced to, then people ought to get the full package.

    Like cosmetic surgery for pure vanity?
    If we're going to allow people to get Viagra for pure vanity, why not?

    It's a complete non-sequitur. The two are not alike. One is elective. The other is life-saving.
    Lots of things that appear in regular insurance packages are elective. Are you suggesting we pare down Obamacare to only things that are specifically life-saving? I might agree with that.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Well that is bluntly not accurate. They want both men and women to choose not to take it.
    And who was suing Obama to keep from having to fund it again?
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    A simple question.
    I voted no.Contraception for recreational sex is not medically necessary.
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