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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Birth control is really not gender specific though if you really think about it. Men also have to pay for unwanted pregnancies and children.
    Yes, it's called child support. And if the BC fails that is still going to be an unwanted pregnancy.
    IMO, in this day and age, birth control for all women of fertile age is a necessity, unless we expect them to be abstinent.
    I was in the insurance industry, whether you consider it a necessity or not doesn't relate to the risk model. Here's the deal, you won't die and your health won't suffer without it, the point of insurance is to cover that which would either kill you or mess up your health without treatment.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    Honestly Moot,

    this kinda thing comes from an entitlement mentality.. I have all of these kids and someone else should pay for them... I feel sorry for the kids, and I think CPS should step in and removethem from what is obviously an abusive enviroment...

    *the following is a jab made in jest and should be taken only as such...

    Any guess what political party mom is?
    She said the kids were "a gift from God" which highly suggests there has been some religious influence in her choices. Pro-life religious influence. She might be demanding entitlements, but she comes from a conservative back ground. The father of ten of her children was apparently supporting all of them...until he got thrown in prison....because of Florida's harsh mandatory sentencing laws. She said, thats when her troubles began.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    He is only financially responsible if she has the baby. Agreed, any man should make an effort not to impregnate a woman who does not want to be pregnant, but she is the one whose body will be altered, and she should bear the primary responsibility. To do otherwise, is foolish and/or stupid, if not negligent of her own health and well-being. I get a little tired of hearing about how women want all the rights and privileges, but they want men to share in the blame if the unexpected happens.
    I think both should share equal responsibility when it comes to preventing pregnancy and child-rearing.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think both should share equal responsibility when it comes to preventing pregnancy and child-rearing.
    Well sure. This assumes a perfect world though, there are plenty of ladies who don't use BC until they are in a relationship, and plenty of women who go out hunting every weekend in bars and will go home with a strange guy that night. In the latter case it's kind of hard to discuss shared responsibility for BC treatments, in a couple scenario you do have a good point.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And another bit of great silliness. It's not up to me to prove your asinine claims aren't true. It's up to you to prove that they are. And what you said:



    Was indeed a "smarmy, petty, little insult," so you tell me why I should have taken it seriously?
    I dunno Harshaw, why should anyone take you seriously? You add nothing to the discussion.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Missed is the fact that insurance companies already WERE paying for her contraceptives. This is/was a non issue about a made up fictional 'friend'. She admitted she was already covered, even by the insurance company that the school contracted with.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Well sure. This assumes a perfect world though, there are plenty of ladies who don't use BC until they are in a relationship, and plenty of women who go out hunting every weekend in bars and will go home with a strange guy that night. In the latter case it's kind of hard to discuss shared responsibility for BC treatments, in a couple scenario you do have a good point.
    Okay, but the strange man is also going home with a strange woman in your scenario. What makes him any less responsible if she becomes pregnant?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Okay, but the strange man is also going home with a strange woman in your scenario. What makes him any less responsible if she becomes pregnant?
    Ahhh, the important question. Yes, he is as responsible, but what guarantee do we have that the two will ever have contact again, or that the guy won't be a grade A dirtbag and shirk responsibility. Some states don't allow for forced DNA testing and if she went home with him for one night his attorney would go very hostile and attack her entire sexual history. Not saying it's right mind you but reality.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I was in the insurance industry, whether you consider it a necessity or not doesn't relate to the risk model. Here's the deal, you won't die and your health won't suffer without it, the point of insurance is to cover that which would either kill you or mess up your health without treatment.
    I've heard other people say that the point of insurance companies is to make money, and if providing BC is cheaper than paying for birth and 18 years of health care, then BC wins.

    Cynical, I know.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Harry-
    How many do you know who can afford over the counter allergy meds but get prescription meds because they are covered by insurance?
    How many get eye exams paid for?

    This isn't about finding a way for the woman to pay for this herself, that question has been answered for approx 50% of the women in this country. No more than snot meds or eye exams. poor deflection. Easy coverage to offer.

    LaRider-
    I reckon you didn't work much with insurance policies as I point out above, many quality of life issues are addressed by insurance. How do you define that very professional statement you made- "or mess up your health without treatment." ? Lots of grey area in that health insurance professional formula...

    Nor do you understand what 'the pill' is. It is hormone therapy and can be prescribed by doctors for heavy cramps, bet you are clueless what that feels like, irregular periods and mood swings. If the female is checked out for 'the pill' use and it brings with it the benefit of reduced cramping, regulation of the period and some help with mood swings whats not to like?

    Considering it helps a female worker plan her career and family it would seem a win for everyone, all for 2 hours of wages a month for both femalw worker and the boss if no discount can be arranged.

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