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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    So public pressure will have no effect on insurance companies?
    I'll rephrase: We, meaning my side of the plitical spectrum, will probably get outvoted. I am, however, glad to see that democracy still works in this country. It's a small consolation, but I'm prepared to live with it.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    I'll rephrase: We, meaning my side of the plitical spectrum, will probably get outvoted. I am, however, glad to see that democracy still works in this country. It's a small consolation, but I'm prepared to live with it.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    A simple question.

    Its not a simple question, IMHO. The problem we have in America is we've been conditioned to associate the payment for healthcare services with health insurance. I don't use auto insurance to get my oil changed. I don't use auto insurance to get my car washed and waxed. I don't use auto insurance to get the tank filled up with gas. Yet for nearly every healthcare service we use health insurance, which is a horrible way to control costs for several reasons.

    First, the health insurance companies who are understandably in business to make money, add in their costs to doing business and profits into every one of our doctor visits, prescriptions, etc. making healthcare needlessly more expensive.

    Secondly, the consumer has little say in with whom their healthcare needs will be met. Instead, their employer decides. If I want to shop at Target, I don't want my employer telling me no you won't; we've make a company decision that you and your family can only shop at Wal-Mart. Then if Wal-Mart doesn't carry a product that I want or even need, I'm screwed. I can bring my situation to the attention of Wal-Mart management all I want but all they will likely do is humor me by listening and then get back to whatever they where doing because they KNOW I have no choice in the matter but to be stuck with them and whatever they decide to offer. The only people they have to keep happy are my employers, not me.

    Thirdly, as long as I have no say in who meets my healthcare needs or what it costs, there are no competitive market forces in play to keep costs down or to outdo each other in areas of quality of service, etc. Instead, we're left with the kindness of people's hearts, government regulation and fear of law suits.

    Now, before anybody jumps to conclusions, under the circumstances it is in many cases cost prohibitive to go outside our current system and buy healthcare services a la carte. Health insurance under the the present situation is BETTER than a la carte out of pocket healthcare and as such IMHO any and all of Sandra Fluke's medical services prescribed by her doctor should be covered. Nobody knows if Sandra Fluke suffers from any number of medical conditions that just so happens to be treated by what are called birth control pills but treats any number of conditions not related to pregnancy prevention of sexually active women and to be honest its nobody's business.

    The better solution (Smeagol's Healthcare Reform System (c) 2012 ), IMHO is flat monthly fee hospital or health services association membership club similar to gym memberships. Everybody pays the same basic rate and no pre-existing conditions exclusions or lifetime limits. Annual rebates paid out just before Black Friday each year for members who don't engage in unhealthy lifestyles and work out, which all can be monitored. Renewable annually and selected by the consumer, not their employer unless the employer wants to give a tax free annual healthcare membership bonus to its employees. End the requirement to treat non-covered people, in this case non-members. The hospital then treats any and every healthcare issue of their members. Escrow components and national affiliated hospital groups to cover emergency medical needs when out of town. If St. Steven's Hospital says in their annual renewal period we don't do birth control pills, guess what? Sandra Fluke can join the Memorial Hospital group instead, that does. Everybody's costs go down because we've eliminated a needless middleman, the health insurance company except for huge $multi-million policies that the hospitals all buy to cover them in case of their expenses get really high. People have financial incentive be healthy. Everybody in healthcare is working overtime to be better than the other because when its time to renew, they want your business. Safety net for the poor. Huge penalties including wage garnishment and liens for people who decide to get a membership only after they need it to balance out the loss on ongoing revenue.

    A doctor friend told me by the time she gets paid for treating a patient, the bill has passed through 8 hands all wanting their cut. The total bill is $80, she got $20 after everybody was paid. If that same model is roughly accurate throughout healthcare, I imagine hospital memberships to be very affordable once we eliminate the middlemen from the mix. I'm just guessing but under $100 a month for singles and a few hundred a month for families. ????
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    That is what Planned Parenthood is for. It has served this same purpose since I was a teenager in the 70's, and any girl who isn't smart enough to make sure she doesn't get pregnant is neglecting her own well-being.
    Personally, I agree. But I just think that making it even easier to get BC would be of benefit to society as a whole. Less disease, less unwanted children, less abortions. JMHO of course.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    so wait.. so she was a Dem operative?...no way..

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Good.
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    Not really. Mandating that every policy contain contraceptive coverage means that every policy will contain that coverage and every policy will reflect the cost of that coverage. While that might be great for those who use contraceptives, but those who don't use them will be forced to carry a policy that does. Carrying such unwanted and unnecessary coverage only increase the cost of health insurance.

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    How many poor people do you know, that can afford insurance, but not contraceptives?
    The reasoning that this benefits poor people, just doesn't flow.
    How many poor people have cell phones, yet want us to pay for rubbers and pills?
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    As far as I know (though you can never be certain with the clowns in DC), no one is trying to ban the pill. But there are a group of uninformed knee-jerking ignoramuses who think that birth control should not be covered by insurance. Completely retarded and insane to anyone who has the ability to think, IMO.
    I don't think that people are saying that birth control shouldn't be offered, it's that it shouldn't be mandated as part of a policy. I have no problems with an insurance company offering birth control coverage, I just don't think the govt should be in the business of telling them they have to.
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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

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    Re: Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    NOBODY'S PAYING FOR ****ING SANDRA ****ING FLUKES ****ING CONTRACEPTION...
    Now, wait a second:

    There's nothing wrong with mandating Medical Insurance Companies to pay for contraception
    You may be in favor of it, but you do contradict yourself.
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