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    Will the Internet Socialize the West?

    Let's consider some aspects of the internet:

    • Encouragement of short term attention spans
    • Encouragement of fashion before function
    • Encouragement of quantity before quality
    • Encouragement of knowledge before intelligence


    Now, let's consider some aspects of socialism:

    • Discouragement of long term investment
    • Discouragement of understanding why before what
    • Discouragement of individuals before collectives
    • Discouragement of analytic before historical judgment


    Therefore, will the internet socialize the West?

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    Re: Will the Internet Socialize the West?

    "Encouragement of knowledge before intelligence"

    I would say "encouragement of information without discernment".

    Collectives tend to suppress information exchange. The internet by its very nature is a wide open information exchange, and with satellite communication, it makes it impossible to completely restrict access to it. Though the internet does not encourage discernment, it doesn't actively restrain it. People can choose to consider carefully what they read or not.

    The watchword of the internet is "unique user". Companies make products for internet interface that are highly customizable. Rather than a generic template for everyone, anyone can choose from a bewildering array of looks and feels, and can turn on and off any source of information they choose. Individuality, not collectivism, is most highly prized.

    I would disagree with your statement of the internet as "Encouragement of fashion before function". Fashion, clearly, is vital to the experience of the unique user, but if a product or service does not function as expected, a consumer will change brand loyalties quickly.
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    Re: Will the Internet Socialize the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    "Encouragement of knowledge before intelligence"

    I would say "encouragement of information without discernment".

    Collectives tend to suppress information exchange. The internet by its very nature is a wide open information exchange, and with satellite communication, it makes it impossible to completely restrict access to it. Though the internet does not encourage discernment, it doesn't actively restrain it. People can choose to consider carefully what they read or not.
    Yes, I agree. Intelligence requires organizing information, but the internet encourages information overload.

    Hence, quantity before quality.

    Exchange and discernment apply to information givers as well. Collectives exercise peer pressure in order to intimidate intelligent people to give up information in exchange for nothing.

    Socialism operates on the same basis. It aims to enslave supply to demand.

    The watchword of the internet is "unique user". Companies make products for internet interface that are highly customizable. Rather than a generic template for everyone, anyone can choose from a bewildering array of looks and feels, and can turn on and off any source of information they choose. Individuality, not collectivism, is most highly prized.
    Well it's the "conformity by not conforming" phenomenon. You know, people are always trying to be postmodern in order to show off the latest styles, but it really just operates according to chaos, and expects people to conform with average chaos in order to fit in.

    A good example of this is watching break dancing, parkour, drift racing, or skateboarding videos. They're exciting, but there are also certain norms expected to be upheld. They're not entirely customized. There are certain templates to the activities which are simply combined with random variations here and there.

    Websites operate the same way. They can be deconstructed down to templates, and then just have splattered fashion on top. Heck, some people try to deliberately exercise this postmodernism in order to be hypocritical and show a willingness to bite the intellectual hand which feeds. For example, websites depend on code, but graphic designers don't engage code directly. However, graphic designers can make careers for themselves by building websites which discourage people from discovering how code works. Instead, customers can become spoiled brats.

    I would disagree with your statement of the internet as "Encouragement of fashion before function". Fashion, clearly, is vital to the experience of the unique user, but if a product or service does not function as expected, a consumer will change brand loyalties quickly.
    I agree, but customers usually have very low functional expectations. Everything's about "keep it simple, stupid".

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    Re: Will the Internet Socialize the West?

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    Re: Will the Internet Socialize the West?

    First I need to OP to explain how their argument makes any f***king sense.
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    Re: Will the Internet Socialize the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Let's consider some aspects of the internet:

    • Encouragement of short term attention spans
    • Encouragement of fashion before function
    • Encouragement of quantity before quality
    • Encouragement of knowledge before intelligence


    Now, let's consider some aspects of socialism:

    • Discouragement of long term investment
    • Discouragement of understanding why before what
    • Discouragement of individuals before collectives
    • Discouragement of analytic before historical judgment


    Therefore, will the internet socialize the West?
    First of all, suggesting that a culturally normalized dislike of long term investments arises from individual short attention spans it a huge leap. The psychological processes that produce a moral/habit like "caring for long term investments" are more varied and elaborate than simply have a short attention span. Plenty of people with attention deficit are nonetheless effective and even visionary planners, because they possess perspective, intuition, or intelligence that nonetheless gives them insight into the future.

    I agree with your evaluations of the Internet broadly (although the middle two are somewhat sketchy), but your evaluations of socialism are extremely lopsided and one-dimensional.
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    Re: Will the Internet Socialize the West?

    I've little respect for the opinions of anyone who thinks that socialism discourages long term investment. Investing in **** like health care, education, national infrastructure and a relatively clean environment is ENTIRELY about reaping long term benefits by maximizing our society's human capital.

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    Re: Will the Internet Socialize the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChunkySalsa View Post
    I've little respect for the opinions of anyone who thinks that socialism discourages long term investment. Investing in **** like health care, education, national infrastructure and a relatively clean environment is ENTIRELY about reaping long term benefits by maximizing our society's human capital.
    That's maintenance, not investment, and it dissociates society because people take their foundations for granted.

    The narrative of your foundations inspires the development of everything else. If you build them publicly, people become spoiled and depressed.

    If you want to invest, then exercise some creative thinking instead of mowing someone else's lawn.

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    Re: Will the Internet Socialize the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    First of all, suggesting that a culturally normalized dislike of long term investments arises from individual short attention spans it a huge leap. The psychological processes that produce a moral/habit like "caring for long term investments" are more varied and elaborate than simply have a short attention span. Plenty of people with attention deficit are nonetheless effective and even visionary planners, because they possess perspective, intuition, or intelligence that nonetheless gives them insight into the future.

    I agree with your evaluations of the Internet broadly (although the middle two are somewhat sketchy), but your evaluations of socialism are extremely lopsided and one-dimensional.
    The type of investment you're talking about is similarly socializing. People with ADD who carry out long term investment liquidate the culture required for investment to happen. Good examples of this are information technology, public roads, biotech, and advertising. All of these things give people access to resources where they don't have to appreciate the thought processes required to invent said goods. Instead, people become spoiled, and in turn, they abuse future inventive personalities because their inventiveness is unnecessary for society to get along. Future inventors become expected to work hard rather than work smart, but because they're not built, they're mocked instead and expected to conform with the system.

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    Re: Will the Internet Socialize the West?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Let's consider some aspects of the internet:

    • Encouragement of short term attention spans
    You seem to spend a lot of time on political forums so this is automatically refuted by your own person.
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