View Poll Results: How should welfare be handled?

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  • Welfare should be left to the feds

    4 7.41%
  • Welfares should be left to the states

    18 33.33%
  • Welfare should be managed by both feds & states

    18 33.33%
  • There should be no welfare

    9 16.67%
  • IDK/Other

    5 9.26%
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, that would not include SS, workman's comp, or Medicare, but it would include K-12 education and agricultural subsidies. What about foreign aid? Can foreign nations be welfare recipients as well
    I agree with your statement partially. I think some of SS is like charity for those who never paid in. For the most part it is not welfare per se. Nevertheless I do not really think it is a good retirement option.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I generally agree. Government retirements and disability, such as VA, are not welfare. Social Security and Social Security Disability (SSD) we pay into. There are some that get SSD that never paid into SS, true, so maybe they can be considered welfare. Providing for disability of workers is one of the reasons for SS to exist. Unemployment insurance is paid by your employer on your behalf, you don't pay directly, other than by your labor. So, I wouldn't consider Unemployment to be Welfare (except in those states that now everyone, regardless of job paying in to unemployment insurance, get it).

    Helping out the working poor, while welfare, I don't really have a problem with. But then again, all the working poor that I know, cannot get many benefits because they earn too much, even at minimum wage or near it. WIC (Women Infants and Children) food supplement and Medicaid adjusted for pay is all I have ever seen them get. But then again, an enlisted member of the Armed Forces, E-5 and below, married with a child qualifies for WIC.

    When I refer to welfare, it is the people who's only income, housing, etc all come from the government welfare programs, have no jobs (that the government knows about) and are not legitimately disabled.
    This term "working poor" really concerns me. There is an insinuation there. Working class, working families, work poor.....I don't like these terms, because they insinuate that other people that have income aren't working.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I agree with your statement partially. I think some of SS is like charity for those who never paid in. For the most part it is not welfare per se. Nevertheless I do not really think it is a good retirement option.
    It is a very poor retirement option as it doesn't pay enough to live on in most cases.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Education, like law enforcement and fire protection, is a common need. So I would not consider it in anyway "welfare" but rather a legitimate function of government. I do however think we pay way too much for it for the results we get. It is most definitely a corrupted and broken system within our government.
    Yes, education, law enforcement, and fire protection are legitimate functions of government, but they do fit American's definition above. The children haven't paid into education, and in most cases neither have their parents, not enough to cover the cost. Cops will come and protect you from the bad guys whether you've paid for the cost or not. Firefighters will come and put out the fire even if you've just bought your house and paid nothing so far in property taxes.

    I think the definition of just what constitutes "welfare" needs some work.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It is a very poor retirement option as it doesn't pay enough to live on in most cases.
    If only there was some kind of reform measure out there that would alter it so that even low-income workers could, over the course of their lifetime, become financially independent.....

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If only there was some kind of reform measure out there that would alter it so that even low-income workers could, over the course of their lifetime, become financially independent.....
    Yes, if only.

    If only it had been passed back when SS was a cash cow, and it would have been possible to pass such a measure while still paying current retirees. If only the Congress had not put the SS funds into the general fund and spent them.

    If only we had a functional and forward looking Congress.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Yes, if only.

    If only it had been passed back when SS was a cash cow, and it would have been possible to pass such a measure while still paying current retirees. If only the Congress had not put the SS funds into the general fund and spent them.

    If only we had a functional and forward looking Congress.
    Yup, now SS is running a permanent deficit. Hooray! Now let's wait for Medicare to get past the point of no return!

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yup, now SS is running a permanent deficit. Hooray! Now let's wait for Medicare to get past the point of no return!
    Given the ability of Congress to solve practical problems before they become crises, I'm sure it will.
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    Re: Welfare

    I don't think you can draw SS unless you have 40 quarters paying in....that's 10 years of working. One of my brothers has only 9 years, but that 9 was in the military, so as soon as he hits 65 he can apply for a PENSION from the VA. He is already getting 50%disability compensation from the VA, hearing loss. But he won't get both....whichever is higher is what he gets, and it is means tested. But since he has nothing but a shack in the woods, and no income other than his disability, he should qualify for the pension. He isn't getting anything for his primary disability, terminal laziness....

    Somewhere along the line, people started thinking that SS was a retirement program. It is not, it was meant to be supplemental to savings and investments, etc. Too many people didn't save enough, so the IRA program and its sibling programs were brought in.
    STILL, a lot of people aren't doing their share of providing for their own future....
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    Re: Welfare

    The second option means that all the states give welfare but they handle it without interference from the feds
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