View Poll Results: How should welfare be handled?

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  • Welfare should be left to the feds

    4 7.41%
  • Welfares should be left to the states

    18 33.33%
  • Welfare should be managed by both feds & states

    18 33.33%
  • There should be no welfare

    9 16.67%
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Agreed. Sadly, that is not how the system is designed - currently state officials get "free money" for signing more people up for programs that receive federal support, and so their incentives are to encourage as many people as possible to get on them. I have people who cannot understand why I would qualify for federal aid programs and not take them. I explain to them that I have the ability to save, which means I have disposable income, which means that I do not need WIC etc., and I just get back dumb looks.
    One of my elderly AZ neighbors gave me some "commodities" that he gets for free, based on low income....he isn't poor, just has low cash flow. His bank accounts are quite fat.....
    Once he brought over some peanut butter made in INDIA, like we can't grow peanuts here in the USA? It was pretty bad, and we put it into the trash immediately. Seems to me if we are going to feed our poor, whether real or not, we should use American grown food.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    One of my elderly AZ neighbors gave me some "commodities" that he gets for free, based on low income....he isn't poor, just has low cash flow. His bank accounts are quite fat.....
    Once he brought over some peanut butter made in INDIA, like we can't grow peanuts here in the USA? It was pretty bad, and we put it into the trash immediately. Seems to me if we are going to feed our poor, whether real or not, we should use American grown food.
    Durka durka durka. Come into the 21 century. Fortress America will never work. It did not work for China and their high growth rates are due to being more open and starting from the bottom. If you want to live in a closed society move to one. Of course, you can't becasue you won't be able to survive. You are utterly dependent on being supported by those using a common language and that look like you. Quit being a burden to your brothers.

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    Re: Welfare

    I'm afraid that I still see GE, BP, Exxon/Mobil, General Dynamics, Martin Marietta, all Central Utilities, all defense contractors, all transportation systems, all Nuke activities, and more too numerous to mention as the largest welfare recipients. Many poor need help and can't present a defense when accused. The Corporations just buy another politician. I have seen generational welfare and families taught how to make a living on welfare. I am certainly against that. My real world point of view says we must attack Corporate and Personal welfare with the same club or do neither. The poor have no defense, they are helpless, so you know any such program will definitely harm the genuinely poor. We can talk about it, ad infinitum, but it's a big bag of snakes. Try stopping Nuclear subsidies and watch the news wires, newspapers, TV stations, Cable, and magazine articles squeal about the injustice being perpetrated upon the Industry. For the most part, the poor people on welfare are surviving, not living high on the hog. At least, that is what I see.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    Durka durka durka. Come into the 21 century. Fortress America will never work. It did not work for China and their high growth rates are due to being more open and starting from the bottom. If you want to live in a closed society move to one. Of course, you can't becasue you won't be able to survive. You are utterly dependent on being supported by those using a common language and that look like you. Quit being a burden to your brothers.
    and how is voluntarily consuming nasty tasting food from India going to help my "brothers"...
    sorry, my brothers are on their own. both of them are poor, by choice.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by BayToBay View Post
    Durka durka durka. Come into the 21 century. Fortress America will never work. It did not work for China and their high growth rates are due to being more open and starting from the bottom. If you want to live in a closed society move to one. Of course, you can't becasue you won't be able to survive. You are utterly dependent on being supported by those using a common language and that look like you. Quit being a burden to your brothers.
    I nominate this for the dumbest post of the month.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    and how is voluntarily consuming nasty tasting food from India going to help my "brothers"...
    sorry, my brothers are on their own. both of them are poor, by choice.
    Do you not understand metaphors? This is why we need more understanding of science, art and religion (not one religion all religions, science and art too).

    You are a burden on your brothers because you are demanding that they fight a useless war (trade or violent) or spend their energies patching some stupid wall instead of using their energy for creative purposes.

    The biggest problem in this country is not the poor people on welfare. It is the rich people on welfare who will not remove their hands from the till. That will soon crush us. We can carry the poor easily. We can not carry the poor, middle class and rich.

    WE are the creators. Those that would rather work towards a solution than fight for control. I would be working right now, except that I am growing more and more concerned about the vitriol and infighting.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I nominate this for the dumbest post of the month.
    It sailed right over your head. Little shrubs grow jealous and blame it on the shade.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The LDS church welfare program has some serious scrutiny.....you are expected to endure some finanicial counseling. You can't get help from them while paying for cable TV with the sports programming package, for example. You are expected to live a reasonable life, not an extravagant one, while drawing welfare. But the latter is how some people get in trouble in the first place. Just because your income allows a mansion now doesn't mean it will next year. I know more than a few well educated, well paid people who fell into that trap.
    The LDS have the right idea. The church maintains farms, worked by the members (volunteer labor, a chance to serve fellow man), the products go into food warehouses all over the world to feed the hungry. There is no chance of recipients cashing in food stamps for booze, hungry people get food, and even the poor can pitch in and donate a day's labor on the church farm.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The LDS have the right idea. The church maintains farms, worked by the members (volunteer labor, a chance to serve fellow man), the products go into food warehouses all over the world to feed the hungry. There is no chance of recipients cashing in food stamps for booze, hungry people get food, and even the poor can pitch in and donate a day's labor on the church farm.
    I saw something the other day about a raisin farm, turning perfectly good grapes into raisins. Surely there is more money to be made in wine?
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I nominate this for the dumbest post of the month.
    I second it, too obtuse for me, I guess....
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