View Poll Results: How should welfare be handled?

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  • Welfare should be left to the feds

    4 7.41%
  • Welfares should be left to the states

    18 33.33%
  • Welfare should be managed by both feds & states

    18 33.33%
  • There should be no welfare

    9 16.67%
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Agreed. If done right, I really don't care who runs it.
    many winters ago, in Idaho, a lady I know was a single mom, husband took off, paid no child support. She and her kids moved in with her mom. The state paid her living and child care expenses til she got training and a job, and she was grateful, and thanked them. State said no, we are not done with you yet. We will continue to pay your mother for child care while you work. she said no, don't need it....wouldn't even sign the paperwork after they filled it out for her.
    That is how it should work....take the help you NEED and not one dime more...
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    many winters ago, in Idaho, a lady I know was a single mom, husband took off, paid no child support. She and her kids moved in with her mom. The state paid her living and child care expenses til she got training and a job, and she was grateful, and thanked them. State said no, we are not done with you yet. We will continue to pay your mother for child care while you work. she said no, don't need it....wouldn't even sign the paperwork after they filled it out for her.
    That is how it should work....take the help you NEED and not one dime more...
    Sounds like my mother. Got some training after Dad left, and worked every single work day of her life until one week before cancer finally took her. And there are people like that today as well. See them everyday struggling to get by. Wonder why they never make the news or anyone's stories?

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sounds like my mother. Got some training after Dad left, and worked every single work day of her life until one week before cancer finally took her. And there are people like that today as well. See them everyday struggling to get by. Wonder why they never make the news or anyone's stories?
    Such people aren't newsworthy, I guess....
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Such people aren't newsworthy, I guess....
    Someone doing it right doesn't get noticed any more than someone driving correctly without having an accident. However, we often get a false impression by seeing only those who do it wrong.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    What are your opinions on welfare management? Several mainstream options of handling welfare are in the poll.
    Well ... at times I think if it were possible it should be a face to face local level of scrutiny with employment counseling and case management.

    Check out this local program. If welfare had that level of scrutiny and was on a local level with no additional state or federal assistance it could reduce fraud.

    http://nhlegalaid.org/NHLocalWelfare



    I do not like to hear of anyone playing the system whether it be individuals on welfare, corporate welfare or military disability fraud. On the other hand ... as a society we want to help those truly unable (think veteran with serious combat injury or person born with spina bifida as examples).

    Whenever we develop safety nets and laws to help those truly in need there is fraud. However banking, finance, corporate and hidden income offshore is also just as fraudulent.
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    Re: Welfare

    I think I agree with previous posts, that the federal government can set guidelines and perhaps contribute relatively small sums to assist the states but the states themselves handle the taxation and implementation of welfare.

    Like most issues, though, I'm undefined
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    Re: Welfare

    Except in cases of disability, it should be temporary with the aim of getting people into the work force. That might include job training, education or some level of work. How to define temporary, I'm not sure.

    I lean toward letting the federal government administer it.

    I'm open to it including a mix of loans and grants repayable through additional but discrete tax withholdings and tax refund fortitude once the recipients get on their feet again.

    Set up a federally run charity that anyone at their own volition may donate to if they personally want to supplement the welfare system.
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    Re: Welfare

    The LDS church welfare program has some serious scrutiny.....you are expected to endure some finanicial counseling. You can't get help from them while paying for cable TV with the sports programming package, for example. You are expected to live a reasonable life, not an extravagant one, while drawing welfare. But the latter is how some people get in trouble in the first place.
    Just because your income allows a mansion now doesn't mean it will next year. I know more than a few well educated, well paid people who fell into that trap.
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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    What are your opinions on welfare management? Several mainstream options of handling welfare are in the poll.
    among the options proffered, leave it to the states. they will come up with different solutions and we will all be able to see what works and what doesn't.


    In general, however, I think welfare as it is currently structured is incredibly harmful to the sections of our populace that are most vulnerable, and I would like to see the intent of welfare achieved through superior means.

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    Re: Welfare

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    many winters ago, in Idaho, a lady I know was a single mom, husband took off, paid no child support. She and her kids moved in with her mom. The state paid her living and child care expenses til she got training and a job, and she was grateful, and thanked them. State said no, we are not done with you yet. We will continue to pay your mother for child care while you work. she said no, don't need it....wouldn't even sign the paperwork after they filled it out for her.
    That is how it should work....take the help you NEED and not one dime more...
    Agreed. Sadly, that is not how the system is designed - currently state officials get "free money" for signing more people up for programs that receive federal support, and so their incentives are to encourage as many people as possible to get on them. I have people who cannot understand why I would qualify for federal aid programs and not take them. I explain to them that I have the ability to save, which means I have disposable income, which means that I do not need WIC etc., and I just get back dumb looks.

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