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Most likely to win Presidential debates

Most likely to win Debates

  • Romney

    Votes: 9 27.3%

  • Obama

    Votes: 24 72.7%
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Does Obama get to use his teleprompter? If not, he loses.
 
Obusha is a natural politician who is expert at cajoling and convincing. Rombama is an executive who is used to giving orders and not having to argue with his employees.

So, I think Obusha might be the better debater.

In the end, it might come down to the positions themselves, not so much the debaters. Again, I think Obusha has the advantage. He offers a free lunch to the masses. Rombama offers a tax cut to the classes. Now, the classes are more likely to vote than the masses so it will be interesting to see how this turns out. IMHO, Obusha will win (the election itself) by sheer force of numbers.

I think Intrade has got it right.
 
Obama, easily.
 
All Obama has to do is take a stand on a few issues. We all know Romney won't do that. Romney will come out looking like someone with no opinions. He'll be wishy washy like he's been for the entire campaign. He stutters out a few Fox News talking points sometimes, but never takes a real stance.
 
Paschendale said:
All Obama has to do is take a stand on a few issues. We all know Romney won't do that. Romney will come out looking like someone with no opinions. He'll be wishy washy like he's been for the entire campaign. He stutters out a few Fox News talking points sometimes, but never takes a real stance.
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He will either look like someone that takes no positions or, even worse, he will actually lay out his positions and then he will really be in trouble.

Romney is trying to play the card the Obama doesn't deserve a second term. That is an incomplete strategy, as certainly a mid-term is a referendum on the incumbent. However, once the question is asked "Does this guy deserve another term?" and the answer is returned "probably not", then the next question is "Is the alternative better"..... to get past the question, Romney has to be a known. Being quiet on policy means he remains "unknown". IMHO, "Trust Me" is not a winning platform for any politician.
 
Depends on your politics. I predict that people will think both have won.
 
As was stated, since this is open debate with no teleprompters, Romney will most likely do better. Because every single time Obama goes off teleprompter he puts his foot in his mouth.
 
Paschendale said:
All Obama has to do is take a stand on a few issues. We all know Romney won't do that. Romney will come out looking like someone with no opinions. He'll be wishy washy like he's been for the entire campaign. He stutters out a few Fox News talking points sometimes, but never takes a real stance.
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Like he did on the Janesville GM plant? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...
 
Diogenes said:
Like he did on the Janesville GM plant? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...
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Seems unfair to disregard a politician for one thing he said that didn't happen, especially when he wasn't even elected yet, but you still support Romney and we all know he hasn't achieved all his promises or stuck to the same positions either.

You have a double standard dude.
 
Wiseone said:
Seems unfair to disregard a politician for one thing he said that didn't happen, especially when he wasn't even elected yet, but you still support Romney and we all know he hasn't achieved all his promises or stuck to the same positions either.
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It's called a campaign promise, and a politician should expect to be challenged on those he hasn't kept. Now in Obama's case, what campaign promises has he kept besides declaring war on the coal industry and raising energy prices?
 
Diogenes said:
It's called a campaign promise, and a politician should expect to be challenged on those he hasn't kept. Now in Obama's case, what campaign promises has he kept besides declaring war on the coal industry and raising energy prices?
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He based Obamacare. I don't disagree with you that politicians should be held for not achieving campaign promises, however if you're going to dismiss Obama for not achieving one shouldn't you dismiss them all?
 
Wiseone said:
Nope
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You can make anything 'true' if you ignore what was actually said. See the spinning top picture for you in a different thread. It applies equally here.
 
Arbo said:
You can make anything 'true' if you ignore what was actually said. See the spinning top picture for you in a different thread. It applies equally here.
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Ryan said "“Right there at that plant,” Ryan said Aug. 29. “Candidate Obama said: ‘I believe that if our government is there to support you, this plant will be here for another hundred years.’ That’s what he said in 2008. Well, as it turned out, that plant didn’t last another year. It is locked up and empty to this day.”

But the fact is that plant closed before Obama was sworn in as President. You're blaming him for something that happened when he wasn't elected yet, he was still a Senator.
 
Wiseone said:
But the fact is that plant closed before Obama was sworn in as President.
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Hey, look at #5. Guess you are 100% incorrect, again.

1. On February 13, 2008 Obama said in Janesville : “I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years.”

2. In June 2008 GM announced that the Janesville plant would stop production of medium-duty trucks by the end of 2009, and stop production of large SUVs in 2010 or sooner.

3. In October 2008 Obama doubled down on his promise to keep Janesville plant open: “As president, I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.”

4. In December 2008 GM idled production of GM SUVs at the Janesville plant. Medium-duty truck assembly continued.

5. In April 2009, four months after Obama was inaugurated, GM idled production of medium-duty trucks.

6. In September 2011, more than two years after Obama was inaugurated, GM reiterates that Janesville plant is on “stand by status.” Auto industry observer David Cole, tells the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel it would be premature to say the Janesville plant will never reopen.

6. Today the GM facility in Janesville still has not been retooled “so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs,” as Obama promised.
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Winners and losers in an election debate are purely subjective. It always is a matter of whose individual beliefs get reinforced by which candidate.

Obama supporters will say Obama won, Romney supporters will say Romney won. It is all a matter of who says what you as an individual want to hear the most and who reinforces your ideological beliefs.

Every election it is the same thing: "My guy kicked your guys ass in the debate", "nuhh-uhh my guy clearly destroyed yours". rinse and repeat. The winner and the loser is all int he eye of the beholder.
 
There's nothing to win in presidential debates because they're not debates. They are basically speeches.
 
Wiseone said:
Fair enough, whats your source?
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From YOUR source:

Workers at the factory built about 95,600 GM SUVs -- Chevrolet Tahoes and Suburbans and GMC Yukons and Yukon XLs --in 2008 and 2,400 Isuzu trucks. The plant made 1,400 of the Isuzu models in 2009.
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Remind me again WHEN that plant closed...
 
Dickieboy said:
From YOUR source:
Remind me again WHEN that plant closed...
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Paul Ryan Links Obama Policies to GM Plant Closed Under George W. Bush - ABC News

2008

The plant Ryan referenced, which he also brought up at an event earlier this month, made its last GM automobile in December 2008 while President George W. Bush was still in office. The announcement to close the Janesville plant came in June of 2008, after then-candidate Obama spoke there, and the initial projected date for its closing was 2010, according to an AP article from the time.

The plant remained open for a few months in 2009 to complete orders on Isuzu vehicles, a company with which GM had a partnership.
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PolitiFact Wisconsin | Did Barack Obama break a promise to keep GM plant open?
 
Dickieboy said:
So when YOUR source that YOU offer says "The plant remained open for a few months in 2009 to complete orders on Isuzu vehicles, a company with which GM had a partnership. you STILL want to remain on the "OH yeah, they closed in 2008"?

Would appear the cool-aid is spiked...
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I consider 1200 workers laid off, the main assembly lines shut down, but 57 workers remaining behind to finish a few last orders as closed. Yes.

By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)
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Wiseone said:
I consider 1200 workers laid off, the main assembly lines shut down, but 57 workers remaining behind to finish a few last orders as closed. Yes.
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I'm sure those 57 UNION workers would not appreciate you marginalizing their work...further your 'they were closed...except for those 57 workers who worked for the next four months' is quite laughable...parse words to make your point much?...carry on...:lamo
 
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