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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    2008, I live in janesville and remember all the people being sent home. The plant wasn't officially closed until 2009 but it was not functioning or employing any people in 2008.

    An, and more like 'wiseone' I see.. I guess producing vehicles is not 'functioning' when it comes to an auto plant. How very strange.
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I'm sure those 57 UNION workers would not appreciate you marginalizing their work...further your 'they were closed...except for those 57 workers who worked for the next four months' is quite laughable...parse words to make your point much?...carry on...
    Are we not twisting off into complete irrelevance? This whole line of argument as to whether the plant closed in 2008 or 2009 or who said it will remain open or closed seems so completely irrelevant to this election. This is the one of the silliest sidebars yet in this election.

    On a global front, the US auto industry, including its supply chain was saved by the quick and bold actions of the Obama and the Bush administrations. The particulars of what got closed in the process are irrelevant details to the big picture.

    As it was, many on the right were outraged that the government got involved at all in the management of GM. It seems a bit disingenuous now to question a particular decision made by GM management.

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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    On a global front, the US auto industry, including its supply chain was saved by the quick and bold actions of the Obama and the Bush administrations. The particulars of what got closed in the process are irrelevant details to the big picture.
    Not to the folks who got laid off.
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Not to the folks who got laid off.
    Yes, but when discussing macroeconomics, isn't it better to look at the big picture as opposed to getting caught up in the details? It only makes sense to try and implement policy that serves the needs of the general populace, as you can't cater to every specific group/person.

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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Not to the folks who got laid off.
    I don't think anyone intended to save every job. Contrary to the worldview of many, this was not socialism at work. This was the government trying to direct monies to shore up the economy. Had our auto industry failed, most of the supply chain would have failed and we most certainly would have slipped into pronounced depression.... OK that is my opinion, but I do believe there is plenty of support for that assertion.

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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Obama's campaign speeches to the people of Janesville were clearly intended to leave the impression that he would support saving the plant and the jobs. Although it was clear to some of us in 2008, it should be obvious to all by now that Obama is not going to deliver.

    The details are very important to those who feel betrayed.
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    I'll just say Romney because I have no basis to say so, and frankly distrust most people's measurements for "winning" the debates.
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by listener View Post
    Romney or Obama?
    Good public speaking but no clear policy (Romney) vs. clear policy with awful public speaking (Obama).

    Ugh. I'll read about it the next day.

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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Like he did on the Janesville GM plant? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...
    I'd be happy to see Romeny get an issue factually accurate. The convention had real issues with facts.

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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The convention had real issues with facts.
    It's a convention and it's campaign season. Expect far less from everyone, and expect more in terms of generalities.
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