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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Fair enough, whats your source?
    From YOUR source:

    Workers at the factory built about 95,600 GM SUVs -- Chevrolet Tahoes and Suburbans and GMC Yukons and Yukon XLs --in 2008 and 2,400 Isuzu trucks. The plant made 1,400 of the Isuzu models in 2009.
    Remind me again WHEN that plant closed...
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    From YOUR source:
    Remind me again WHEN that plant closed...
    Paul Ryan Links Obama Policies to GM Plant Closed Under George W. Bush - ABC News

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    The plant Ryan referenced, which he also brought up at an event earlier this month, made its last GM automobile in December 2008 while President George W. Bush was still in office. The announcement to close the Janesville plant came in June of 2008, after then-candidate Obama spoke there, and the initial projected date for its closing was 2010, according to an AP article from the time.

    The plant remained open for a few months in 2009 to complete orders on Isuzu vehicles, a company with which GM had a partnership.
    PolitiFact Wisconsin | Did Barack Obama break a promise to keep GM plant open?

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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    So when YOUR source that YOU offer says "The plant remained open for a few months in 2009 to complete orders on Isuzu vehicles, a company with which GM had a partnership. you STILL want to remain on the "OH yeah, they closed in 2008"?

    Would appear the cool-aid is spiked...
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    So when YOUR source that YOU offer says "The plant remained open for a few months in 2009 to complete orders on Isuzu vehicles, a company with which GM had a partnership. you STILL want to remain on the "OH yeah, they closed in 2008"?

    Would appear the cool-aid is spiked...
    I consider 1200 workers laid off, the main assembly lines shut down, but 57 workers remaining behind to finish a few last orders as closed. Yes.

    By December 2008, when President George W. Bush authorized nearly $14 billion in loans to General Motors and Chrysler, both of which were near financial collapse, GM had already warned it might close the Janesville plant because of sagging sport-utility vehicle sales. The plant was effectively shut down on Dec. 23, 2008, when GM ceased production of SUVs there and laid off 1,200 workers. (Several dozen workers stayed on another four months to finish an order of small- to medium-duty trucks for Isuzu Motors.)

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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I consider 1200 workers laid off, the main assembly lines shut down, but 57 workers remaining behind to finish a few last orders as closed. Yes.
    I'm sure those 57 UNION workers would not appreciate you marginalizing their work...further your 'they were closed...except for those 57 workers who worked for the next four months' is quite laughable...parse words to make your point much?...carry on...
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Like he did on the Janesville GM plant? Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...
    That GM plant was closed before Obama even took office. Believe me I know, I live in Janesville.
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I'm sure those 57 UNION workers would not appreciate you marginalizing their work...further your 'they were closed...except for those 57 workers who worked for the next four months' is quite laughable...parse words to make your point much?...carry on...
    Yes the plant was still operating at a fractional capacity finishing some orders before finally and totally shutting down, however the decision to close it had already been made, the workers had been laid off, the main production had stopped and after the last order was complete the remaining workers were laid off as well. I consider that closed. I can see the difference of opinion however, but for all practical purposes the place was closed.

    I don't know why you emphasized Union, whether they are union or not plays no part in the status of the plant.

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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    From YOUR source:



    Remind me again WHEN that plant closed...
    2008, I live in janesville and remember all the people being sent home. The plant wasn't officially closed until 2009 but it was not functioning or employing any people in 2008.
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Hard to judge. I haven't seen Obama debate for a long time, but Romney was never convincing in the Republican debates that I saw.
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    Re: Most likely to win Presidential debates

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I consider 1200 workers laid off, the main assembly lines shut down, but 57 workers remaining behind to finish a few last orders as closed. Yes.
    Ah, now 'open' and 'closed' have a nuanced meaning. The hell with the dictionary and their actual definitions.
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