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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post

    Nobody "needs" it. Lots of people were just responsible and never held out their hand.
    Pie in the sky nonsense, I suppose the few million individuals who lost their jobs seemingly overnight were simply irresponsible?

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Having your hand out for freebies from the government is part of the social contract? Are you out of your mind?
    My wife tells me I am all the time. Especially when I make a bad pun But yes I am serious.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nobody "needs" it. Lots of people were just responsible and never held out their hand.

    Too bad you weren't one of them.
    That would be where you are wrong. Any advanced economy is always going to end up with people who fall through the cracks or don't have a range of options available to them to help themselves and not be stuck in poverty. You don't acknowledge this obvious fact, no big deal, but it is what it is. And it is certainly not the moral issue you want to portray to feel self righteous.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Pie in the sky nonsense, I suppose the few million individuals who lost their jobs seemingly overnight were simply irresponsible?
    Nope, that's where unemployment comes in, which is not government assistance, it's something you paid for while you were working.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    My wife tells me I am all the time. Especially when I make a bad pun But yes I am serious.
    No matter liberalism is so screwed up.

    That would be where you are wrong. Any advanced economy is always going to end up with people who fall through the cracks or don't have a range of options available to them to help themselves and not be stuck in poverty. You don't acknowledge this obvious fact, no big deal, but it is what it is. And it is certainly not the moral issue you want to portray to feel self righteous.
    No, I just expect people to be responsible. You don't.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Nope, that's where unemployment comes in, which is not government assistance, it's something you paid for while you were working.
    Food stamps, housing assistance, pell grants and other programs of the sort are readily available and utilized by many who are neither irresponsible nor lazy, simply mired in circumstances that require a helping hand in order to better their living conditions. To insist that all those who receive such benefits are irresponsible by default is simply brazen naivety.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    I've received a Pell Grant and the Smart Grant (a special grant for science majors who had high GPAs and qualified for Pell). Both helped me out until the reforms eliminated the Smart Grant and shrank my Pell grant by about 75% with no change in my income.

    Now that I'm in graduate school I can't qualify anyway Instead, the government will receive my assistance with the $60,000 of interest I'll pay over the course of my student loan repayment plan.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Financial aid has done me so much good in paying for college.

    Pell Grant ftw.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    No matter liberalism is so screwed up.

    No, I just expect people to be responsible. You don't.
    Then you don't understand my argument. I expect people to be responsible when they are in a situation where they are capable of doing so. Social spending, the majority of the time, given that the majority of people on welfare are only on it temporarily, use it as a hand up. There is nothing wrong with that and its something that makes me proud of in this country.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The intent of public assistance should be to break the "cycle of poverty" not to simply make it more comfortable to loaf along requiring that the taxpayer (productive?) forever support the non-productive.
    I would agree with this with three caveats

    1. this is the proper intent of all assistance, private, public, whathaveyou
    2. the government is atrocious at this, as it is at most things involving case-by-case discernment
    3. the government is often unwilling to do this as it does not align with individual political incentives


    That's why I more and more like Friedman's idea of the NIT - you get the aid to those that need, while removing or heavily mitigating incentives to engage in self-destructive behavior.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Then you don't understand my argument. I expect people to be responsible when they are in a situation where they are capable of doing so. Social spending, the majority of the time, given that the majority of people on welfare are only on it temporarily, use it as a hand up. There is nothing wrong with that and its something that makes me proud of in this country.
    and again I am afraid you are projecting. with the probable exception of Pell Grants - the surest sign that one will end up on welfare is whether or not ones mother was on welfare.

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