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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ah yes, the ole "cpwill has something that is inconvenient, so he must be lying" defense. You have turned to it more and more since the days of WS. Fortunately for you, I have laid out my math in detail; so please feel free to peruse and check where necessary.



    we were talking (as I understood it) about privatized Social Security accounts.
    Lying is your word not mine. But, there is no reason for anyone to accept either mine nor your math, or that we say so. And linking yourself isn't all that convincing.

    And I understood it to be about moving it to private individuals, meaning no government involvment:

    Quote Originally Posted by post97
    A great argument for private investment accounts.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    -Welfare
    -AFDC
    -Medicaid
    -Food stamps/EBT cards
    -Government cheese/government peanut butter
    -Free or reduced school lunches
    -WIC
    -Pell grant
    -Cash for clunkers
    -Electric vehicle tax credit
    -Federal Tax Credits for Energy Efficiency for solar, wind or geothermal upgrades
    -Unemployment compensation
    -Free or discounted digital TV converter box
    -Free Government Cell Phone
    -Section 8 housing tenant or landlord
    -HUD project resident
    -First time home buyer down payment assistance
    -Any other government hand out for which you or your parents when you were a minor had to request or otherwise apply


    Academic and athletic scholarships and GI Bill excluded as those are earned. Social Security and Medicare excluded as well as we are all required to pay into it.
    I include public schools and roads... police and fire departments.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Lying is your word not mine. But, there is no reason for anyone to accept either mine nor your math, or that we say so. And linking yourself isn't all that convincing.
    I linked the post where I had laid out the math, and given you all of the inputs, if you want to check them, feel free to do so.

    And I understood it to be about moving it to private individuals, meaning no government involvment:
    Not necessarily. No government involvement, for example, would basically be getting rid of SS all-together, rather than turning it into a forced-savings program.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I include public schools and roads... police and fire departments.

    Those are generally considered "public goods" rather than "private aid".

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I linked the post where I had laid out the math, and given you all of the inputs, if you want to check them, feel free to do so.



    Not necessarily. No government involvement, for example, would basically be getting rid of SS all-together, rather than turning it into a forced-savings program.
    I'm not sure I could spot your errors. I prefer someone I know who understands this going over it. You may know enough to be dangerous as they say in medicine.

    ANd yes, I took as getting rid of it altogether and having us handle this ourselves.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not sure I could spot your errors. I prefer someone I know who understands this going over it. You may know enough to be dangerous as they say in medicine.
    It's basic compound interest followed by some multiplication and division. I did it on Excel. If you want, I'll describe to you how.

    ANd yes, I took as getting rid of it altogether and having us handle this ourselves.
    Then I'm not sure you took it as it is meant, although maybe the poster did mean that, in which case he is indeed outside the norm even of the entitlement reform movement.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It's basic compound interest followed by some multiplication and division. I did it on Excel. If you want, I'll describe to you how.



    Then I'm not sure you took it as it is meant, although maybe the poster did mean that, in which case he is indeed outside the norm even of the entitlement reform movement.
    No, it is all only as good as what you put in. I would need to know what you missed. That requires someone else be involved.

    Maybe I did, maybe I didn't. Can't say. But I can say what I answered to.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    -Welfare
    -AFDC
    -Medicaid
    -Food stamps/EBT cards
    -Government cheese/government peanut butter
    -Free or reduced school lunches
    -WIC
    -Pell grant
    -Cash for clunkers
    -Electric vehicle tax credit
    -Federal Tax Credits for Energy Efficiency for solar, wind or geothermal upgrades
    -Unemployment compensation
    -Free or discounted digital TV converter box
    -Free Government Cell Phone
    -Section 8 housing tenant or landlord
    -HUD project resident
    -First time home buyer down payment assistance
    -Any other government hand out for which you or your parents when you were a minor had to request or otherwise apply


    Academic and athletic scholarships and GI Bill excluded as those are earned. Social Security and Medicare excluded as well as we are all required to pay into it.
    Yeah, why?
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Yeah, why?
    Hoping to show some diehard anti-entiment folks that if they really thought hard about most of have needed the safety net or hand up help from uncle Sam at some point in our lives. Friends, family members and maybe even the guy or lady in the mirror. Even some pro-football teams get state and city government help with stadium subsidies.

    I have a friend who is a passionate conservative but suppliments his income with section 8 rental property. I have another friend who deceided to get on a soap box with with on special interest groups getting the federal hook up. He's a mental health counselor who is ordained by his church. I asked him if he opposes the IRS Pastonage allowance and he turned as red as anybody I'd ever seen who wasnt sunburned.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Hoping to show some diehard anti-entiment folks that if they really thought hard about most of have needed the safety net or hand up help from uncle Sam at some point in our lives. Friends, family members and maybe even the guy or lady in the mirror.

    I have a friend who is a passionate conservative but suppliments his income with section 8 rental property. I have another friend who deceided to get on a soap box with with on special interest groups getting the federal hook up. He's a mental health counselor who is ordained by his church. I asked him if he opposes the IRS Pastonage allowance and he turned as red as anybody I'd ever seen who wasnt sunburned.
    Color hypocrisy red.

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