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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    That's good. (Seriously, not condescendingly) But that's only half the equation. The other half is health and/or ability to care for oneself at an advanced age.

    Should the time come that your mother cannot physically care for herself properly, will you (or another family member) move her in, or will she go to a home?*

    *-Sometimes really bad health issues necessitate a home, but that's an extreme scenario.
    Nope. She doesn't live alone.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's a difference between a freebie and an incentive.
    Yes... semantics.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Yes... semantics.
    Not semantics at all. A freebie is something that you are given with no strings attached, it's a gift. An incentive is something you are given in order to extract even more money and intangible benefits for the person giving you the incentive in the first place. You get that incentive because you're worth more to the city/state as a homeowner than you are as a renter.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then they need to find a better work environment. It's still on their shoulders.



    I just pulled 5 years out of thin air,

    it's a concept, not a hard number.

    I've never worked for a company in my life for more than 2 years without being in management, no matter how low on the totem pole I started.

    My point was people who just sit there in an entry level job for their entire careers, never going anywhere, never getting any better, and then complaining about how unfair life is. Whose fault is it?
    Many who you fault for not packing up and abandoning said occupation happen to have degrees of study in that specific field, and lack neither the financial or social mobility to simply uproot themselves and search out another job or become certified in a differing field.

    Air was it?

    Indeed, there is nothing "hard" about an abritrary parameter for your idea of sucess set seemingly without thought or consideration.

    I'll go ahead and file your example under the "anecdotal" and "largely irrelevant" categories for the time being.

    Who's complaining? I'm simply stating the evident and undeniable fact that not all who find themselves among the lower end of the income spectrum are there due to their own incompetence or lack of motivation. Nuance is a rather important concept to grasp when discussing matters of the sort.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Many who you fault for not packing up and abandoning said occupation happen to have degrees of study in that specific field, and lack neither the financial or social mobility to simply uproot themselves and search out another job or become certified in a differing field.
    These were people who apparently didn't do much research into their chosen field. They didn't know that upwards mobility was difficult? Seriously?
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    I'm simply stating the evident and undeniable fact that not all who find themselves among the lower end of the income spectrum are there due to their own incompetence or lack of motivation. Nuance is a rather important concept to grasp when discussing matters of the sort.
    Not all, but most, in my opinion. Perhaps they don't have an education. Maybe they've made bad decisions and got started out wrong. Maybe they cared about nothing much more than making enough money to pay the bills. Or maybe they didn't care if they were late with some. Maybe they resisted change. Perhaps they didn't like responsibility -- wanted to punch out and be done for the day. Could be they have a poor work ethic. An attitude problem. Maybe they lacked self-confidence and never asked for a raise. Some of them are quite happy where they are except when it comes to complaining about how others are holding them back. Many don't recognize the value of ambition. It's not a four-letter word, after all. Or the value of mentors. Some people can't take orders. They can't fit into a company's culture and could care less.

    If someone is at the bottom of the income ladder for years, aside from health reasons, they have only themselves to blame.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Not semantics at all. A freebie is something that you are given with no strings attached, it's a gift. An incentive is something you are given in order to extract even more money and intangible benefits for the person giving you the incentive in the first place. You get that incentive because you're worth more to the city/state as a homeowner than you are as a renter.
    Yes, semantics. Your description confirmed it. The home buyer gets the freebie/incentive, then has to do nothing else in return beyond purchasing the home. You may be worth more to someone else, which is nothing more than a parallel benefit. Bottom line: You're still getting something given to you.

    Have you ever taken a home mortgage deduction? I note that you have avoided saying one way or another.

    If you have, you probably don't have enough intellectual honesty and backbone to admit that you have indeed taken a freebie from the government, and don't want to admit it now because you have painted yourself into a corner, but you know the real answer... as inconvenient to you and your "I'm 100% independent!" rhetoric as it may be.
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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    These were people who apparently didn't do much research into their chosen field. They didn't know that upwards mobility was difficult? Seriously?
    As if one can foresee all tenure based promotions, personal bias, budget shortfalls, and other unforeseen circumstances that may hinder promotions, pay raises and the like. Pie in the sky nonsense as a whole.

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    Re: Have you every received some form government assistance?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Yes, semantics. Your description confirmed it. The home buyer gets the freebie/incentive, then has to do nothing else in return beyond purchasing the home. You may be worth more to someone else, which is nothing more than a parallel benefit. Bottom line: You're still getting something given to you.
    What do you mean you have to do nothing else? Then you start paying property taxes, which goes into the city's larders. Then you start paying sales taxes in the city, which goes to the government. Then you start contributing to the city's community and stability, which reduces costs for city services like police. The more houses they fill, the higher property values rise and the more money they make off the next guys who move in down the street! You buying a house makes the city and state you live in a ton of money, they're offering incentives to get you in the door!

    What, you thought they were doing it out of the goodness of their hearts?

    It's like those stupid As-Seen-On-TV things. But wait! Act today and they'll double your order! Just pay separate shipping and handling, which costs you more than the item they're giving you "free". But maybe you think they're giving you freebies too!
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    Pell Grant, and wife's pregnancy. We were in between insurances, and Medicaid saved our lives.

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