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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    In what way? Not arguing the point with you - just don't know the point you wish to make.
    Well, you have argued that a DOD branch would report to the CinC via the JCS or their relevant Secretary - and here you are quite right. So, if the lead force in cyberwarfare developed STUXNET for us, and it reported to the President in a venue other than the JCS or a SECDEF briefing.... what would that mean for where the lead force in cyberwarfare is currently placed?

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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    "implicit verification"? What does that even mean?
    im·plic·it/imˈplisit/
    Adjective:

    Implied though not plainly expressed: "implicit criticism".
    Essentially or very closely connected with; always to be found in: "the values implicit in the school ethos".

    I also note you're presented no links.


    Dictionary.com: Implicit

    The last guy said it was an open statement by the Pres. and it ended up being the same "it was leaked" story from the NYT that I read months ago. You of all people should understand brinkmanship. Wording is very important, so trying to read things into phrases or statements beyond what is actually said is not justified in this case.
    The White House implicitly confirmed that the information was accurate when it confirmed that it had been leaked. It probably never thought about doing otherwise, as it is at least plausible that the leak was intentional.

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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    im·plic·it/imˈplisit/
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    Implied though not plainly expressed: "implicit criticism".
    Essentially or very closely connected with; always to be found in: "the values implicit in the school ethos".

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    The White House implicitly confirmed that the information was accurate when it confirmed that it had been leaked. It probably never thought about doing otherwise, as it is at least plausible that the leak was intentional.
    So they kinda' sorta' said it was kinda' sorta' real?

    When you get to explicit statements about the subject with links to same let me know.
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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    So they kinda' sorta' said it was kinda' sorta' real?
    No, the NYT cited sources who had leaked the information, and placed that leaker in a position to know what was said in the NSC, which is a fairly small sample of people. The White House then confirmed that that information was indeed a leak of classified information, implicitly verifying it's accuracy; which they were fine with doing, as the "leaks" made the President look good.

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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, the NYT cited sources who had leaked the information, and placed that leaker in a position to know what was said in the NSC, which is a fairly small sample of people. The White House then confirmed that that information was indeed a leak of classified information, implicitly verifying it's accuracy; which they were fine with doing, as the "leaks" made the President look good.
    All of which still boils down to "they kinda' sorta' said it was kinda' sorta' real".
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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    All of which still boils down to "they kinda' sorta' said it was kinda' sorta' real".
    No, the leaker definitely did give operational details of an incredibly destructive nature. No "Kinda Sorta" about it. The White House officially only verified the veracity of the leakers' details by implication. You don't appoint federal prosecutors to hunt down and solve crimes that didn't happen, even if you do intend on hobbling them.

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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, the leaker definitely did give operational details of an incredibly destructive nature. No "Kinda Sorta" about it. The White House officially only verified the veracity of the leakers' details by implication. You don't appoint federal prosecutors to hunt down and solve crimes that didn't happen, even if you do intend on hobbling them.
    The same NYT says ...
    The United States government only recently acknowledged developing cyberweapons, and it has never admitted using them.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/wo...iran.html?_r=1


    In other words, there is no official verification. It's all "kinda' sorta'", which doesn't mean a damn thing except to the rumor mongers.
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