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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Schutzengel View Post
    He signed and executive order for Stuxnet, and then bragged about it ... to show that he was tough. Though I guess he didnt openly say it, it was let leak to the new yourk times.

    Cyber Attacks on Iran — Stuxnet and Flame
    A "leak" with no evidence to back it up is hardly the same thing as an open admission - or bragging for that matter.


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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    I agree with your statement, however, was Obama the person who leaked the information and if he did was there a strategic reason behind it. We do not know many of the facts, indeed we are fed this information through filters and from that an argument is most likely vacuous and filled with assumptions and inaccuracies.
    Indeed. International brinkmanship is a very convoluted game with many branches, dead ends, and pitfalls. The correct innuendo at the right time and place can have as much impact as moving a carrier fleet.
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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Do you consider cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare? Why or why not?

    Would you consider it a declaration of war to participate in cyber warfare against a nation and/or nations?
    Cyber warfare is similar to spying and just like spying it can have violent and/or non-violent components. Stealing military secrets has never been considered an act of war. Destroying part of a military installation could be considered an act of war. Some of the non-traditional things we can pull off now, like importing a nuclear bomb, are without doubt an act of war. All of these things have their cyber counter-parts. Stealing information is still just stealing information. Destroying an electrical generator might be questionable but something like taking down the east coast power grid should be considered an act of war.
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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    [QUOTE=samsmart;1060862562]Actually, I would think that the military may resist it as it is another branch they would have to compete with for slices of the defense budget.[quote]

    that would at least partially depend on whether or not they are capturing monies that otherwise would not have been spent within DOD.

    So, the stories that leaked out about FLAME and STUXNET, did they leak out of the JCS?

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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    A "leak" with no evidence to back it up is hardly the same thing as an open admission - or bragging for that matter.


    I bet you think Israel has admitted to being a nuclear power, too.
    No, I know for a fact they haven't... the doubt alone is a powerful weapon. Though I assume that there is more than just guessing behind the belief they are one.
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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So, the stories that leaked out about FLAME and STUXNET, did they leak out of the JCS?
    Don't ask me anything about FLAME or STUXNET because I know nothing.

    However, based on what little I know, it seems that the U.S. military is treating cyberweapons as part of unconventional warfare, and so is keeping it extremely secret. But I know nothing about these, and hope other DPers here can respond.
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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    A "leak" with no evidence to back it up is hardly the same thing as an open admission - or bragging for that matter.
    on the contrary, given the placement of the leak and the later implicit verification of the White House of the veracity of the information when they described it as a leak of classified information, that is, indeed, what happened.

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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Don't ask me anything about FLAME or STUXNET because I know nothing.
    well, since we are talking about defense bureaucracy, the answer to that question could be important to the conversation we are having.

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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, since we are talking about defense bureaucracy, the answer to that question could be important to the conversation we are having.
    In what way? Not arguing the point with you - just don't know the point you wish to make.
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    Re: Is cyber warfare analogous to conventional warfare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    on the contrary, given the placement of the leak and the later implicit verification of the White House of the veracity of the information when they described it as a leak of classified information, that is, indeed, what happened.
    "implicit verification"? What does that even mean? I also note you're presented no links. The last guy said it was an open statement by the Pres. and it ended up being the same "it was leaked" story from the NYT that I read months ago.


    You of all people should understand brinkmanship. Wording is very important, so trying to read things into phrases or statements beyond what is actually said is not justified in this case.
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