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    Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Where I live, public school teachers are paid a pretty nice salary, average about $70K per year, which is well above the average worker's pay where I live. So, I think they're paid just about right here. A good salary for hard work, and teaching is not easy, despite what some people think.

    I do wish the guaranteed pensions would be done away with. They're simply not sustainable. They should have their own personally funded 401K, the growth (or non-growth or loss) of which is determined by the stock market, like the vast majority in the private sector. I think that will happen sooner than later.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What specifically happened between 1970 and today to account for the ballooning CEO pay? In many respects the market is less regulated than it has been for a large part of the post-war era.
    In some important respects it is far worse. I would say going off the gold standard was one of the big controobuting factors. But it is of really relevant to my point, becausE we've never had a pure free marks. Even when we were on a gold standar the tovt discriminated against women and minorities. So anything before the modem civil rights era is worthless.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Teachers are not overpaid, nor are they underworked. The profession is generally not either respected or appreciated. It's a ****ty job, they make less money than any number of significantly less-well educated employees, and they do something extremely important (i.e. educating children).
    I wanted to be a teacher, but chose otherwise because of the pay. And I live in a state where the teachers get paid rather well compared to the rest of the nation.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Please draw me a line from "not all teachers are math and science teachers" to some sort of conclusion. Pointing me back to the post that I already asked you to elaborate on isn't very useful or compelling.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    If you think teachers are underworked, you must not know any.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Please draw me a line from "not all teachers are math and science teachers" to some sort of conclusion. Pointing me back to the post that I already asked you to elaborate on isn't very useful or compelling.
    You asked a question that was already answered.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    You asked a question that was already answered.
    Not so much, no. I take it you're completely unwilling to, y'know, make an argument of some kind?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    No, I think for the most part teachers are paid pretty fairly. Some are overpaid, some are underpaid, just like with any field.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post

    You know, I dont normally play this card, and it might not necessarily be true of you, but this notion that top excurives are "overpaid" simply by virtue of being top paid executives is bogus. In a free market, in a fully privatized industry like education would be ideally, people would get paid what the market will bear. Investors and employers pay employees for their value, not a penny more nor less.
    How about if you stop playing the "Ostrich with his Head in the Sand" card? Many top executives are overpaid by virtue of the fact that they are obviously paid more money in one year than anyone could reasonably need in a lifetime.

    The market makes sure that people are not overpaid or underpaid.
    Not in the absence of organized labor. We know this much from history.

    If you think teachers deserve million dollar salaries and executives don't, that is sweet and childlike in its naïveté. But it is wrong. Teachers may be doing God's work, and executives might generally be d-bags, but they get paid what the market will bear.
    This is why unions, including teacher's unions, are so essential: They make sure the profits are fairly distributed to all worthy parties, and not just those in the top office, whether that office be private or otherwise. Thus, you could say that a union salary is just another expression of "what the market will bear." It's just expressed more democratically.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    That's just not true. If you read the abstract to the study I posted, you'll find that a) there are chronic staffing problems not just in math and science (although the problems are more marked in those fields) and b) that it has less to do with a shortage of teachers in any given field than it does with the conditions teachers work in.
    Generally speaking, if there is a shortage of teachers, there are two ways to fill it: 1. Improve the compensation packages, 2. Improve the working conditions (essentially a non-monetary form of compensation). So I definitely agree...any schools experiencing these kind of shortages aren't compensating their teachers properly.

    But the corollary is also true: If there is a surplus of teachers, schools are compensating teachers too much relative to their market value.

    The clear implication is that those who are qualified to teach frequently chose not to do so, because there are other more lucrative and less troublesome fields they can go into.
    Agreed. I thought about going into teaching myself because it seems like a rewarding job...but I couldn't deal with the fact that I could be making a lot more money elsewhere.

    I think it's important to keep in mind that there are different levels of qualification. If you want to get world-class teachers, it might cost $200,000 a year. If anyone with a college degree will do, even $30,000 might be too much. (And generally, schools tend to favor the latter approach more than the former.) I would have no problem at all with a school compensating an extremely good teacher quite handsomely.

    Conclusion: teachers are generally underpaid. Now, obviously that's not always the case, but it is the trend.
    I don't think your paper supports this conclusion, except perhaps for math/science teachers. It looks like only 5% of schools have difficulty filling English positions, and only 2% have difficulty filling social science positions (graph on page 15). That doesn't really seem like a general shortage IMO...more just a problem at a handful of schools.
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