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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Oh boy...this is gonna be one of those Rationalist meets Empiricist moments. I do truly enjoy those.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I'm almost afraid to ask which side you see as which :P
    In my experience, Guy is a dyed-in-the-wool Rationalist.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    How is that the case?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060857462
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Teachers take care of you children while you are away at work. Have you ever tried taking care of and educating 5+ children at a time, how about 20+ children at a time? For the salary they make they are highly underrated and demonized for very stupid ****. Talk about the right wing finding a scapegoat for the real issues at hand.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Guy, you seem to see the market as a purely rational and impartial mechanism, free from faults when let to run itself. With that in mind, what do you think the explanation is for the fact that CEO wages have increases by several magnitudes over the last few decades? What do you think led to that happening?
    Oh that is a great question! It is because our system is not a free market, rather it is a corrupt corporatis plutocracy. So what looks like a free market is really a wildly distorted and corrupt system that, from a libertarian perspective, is more like the Maria the a free market.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The issue with a fully private education system is that you will get the education you can afford. If you're very wealthy, your children will get a top-notch education that will enable him or her to be successful in life. If you're very poor, your children will get a substandard education that will hinder them from rising to their full potential. That is the very definition of an uneven playing field. While our current system is not perfect, it is more equal than a purely private system would be.
    If everyone started getting a better education, that would be great, even if it was applied unevenly.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Oh that is simple. It is because our system is not a free market, rather it is a corrupt corporatis plutocracy. So what looks like a free market is really a wildly distorted and corrupt system that, from a libertarian perspective, is more like the Maria the a free market.
    What specifically happened between 1970 and today to account for the ballooning CEO pay? In many respects the market is less regulated than it has been for a large part of the post-war era.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Well that's just not true, especially in the fields of math and science. Take a look:

    http://www.cpre.org/images/stories/c...09%20final.pdf
    If schools are routinely having difficulty finding qualified math and science teachers, then you're absolutely right. That's a sign that in fact they're being UNDERpaid. But in general teachers are overpaid, because there are more qualified teachers than teaching jobs.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I'd say that that was more of a sign that one school district is in a more attractive location than another. Or that it is better run.
    But these things are forms of compensation. What might be a too-high salary at a well-run, attractive school might be a perfectly reasonable salary at an inner-city failing school. Economics would suggest that at any given salary, the attractive school will get more qualified applicants per position than the unattractive school.

    Or that there is a glut of qualified teachers available and looking for work. I'd say it is far from being an indicator that teachers are overpaid.
    A glut of qualified teachers available *is* an indicator that salaries are too high. Because the supply exceeds the demand.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If schools are routinely having difficulty finding qualified math and science teachers, then you're absolutely right. That's a sign that in fact they're being UNDERpaid. But in general teachers are overpaid, because there are more qualified teachers than teaching jobs.
    That's just not true. If you read the abstract to the study I posted, you'll find that a) there are chronic staffing problems not just in math and science (although the problems are more marked in those fields) and b) that it has less to do with a shortage of teachers in any given field than it does with the conditions teachers work in. The clear implication is that those who are qualified to teach frequently chose not to do so, because there are other more lucrative and less troublesome fields they can go into. Conclusion: teachers are generally underpaid. Now, obviously that's not always the case, but it is the trend.

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