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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    And this tells us what, in you opinion?
    I'm saying that your link is a plus for your side of the argument, but it's a tiny plus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I'm saying that your link is a plus for your side of the argument, but it's a tiny plus.
    How is that the case?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    The word teacher and overpaid doesn't even belong in the same sentence.

    If anything, they don't get paid enough. Not to mention, they don't get much appreciation either -- sure there are teachers that suck at their job, but there's lacking people in every profession.

    Also, underworked? Are you kidding me? You'd have to be living under a rock to be thinking that.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    End public schools and let the market allocate teacher salaries in a privatized educational system. That is the only way to ensure that teachers will neither be overpaid nor underpaid.

    If education is privatized, teachers will be paid exactly what the market will bear.
    The issue with a fully private education system is that you will get the education you can afford. If you're very wealthy, your children will get a top-notch education that will enable him or her to be successful in life. If you're very poor, your children will get a substandard education that will hinder them from rising to their full potential. That is the very definition of an uneven playing field. While our current system is not perfect, it is more equal than a purely private system would be.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    No, if education is privatized, teachers will be grossly underpaid; the top executives of these private companies will be overpaid; the company owners will overcharge the state with abandon because their generous donations to the local political machine will allow them to do so; education will take a serious downturn and eventually cost more than ever; people like you will be scratching their heads wondering what went wrong with their utterly naive, neoconservative, pseudo-libertarian "bright ideas."

    If you want to know what is wrong with our education system, start examining what the schools actually pay for desks and computers, etc., and then compare these prices to what such items go for at the local Staples. Then start asking yourself why textbooks should cost as much as they do.

    You can privatize all you want, but until you figure a way to keep private industry from bilking the taxpayer to death via pay-to-play schemes with local, state, and federal government officials, you will only make matters worse---much worse.
    You know, I dont normally play this card, and it might not necessarily be true of you, but this notion that top excurives are "overpaid" simply by virtue of being top paid executives is bogus. In a free market, in a fully privatized industry like education would be ideally, people would get paid what the market will bear. Investors and employers pay employees for their value, not a penny more nor less. The market makes sure that people are not overpaid or underpaid.

    If you think teachers deserve million dollar salaries and executives don't, that is sweet and childlike in its naïveté. But it is wrong. Teachers may be doing God's work, and executives might generally be d-bags, but they get paid what the market will bear.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Ooops! I clicked the wrong option. My wife is a teacher and she is very much overworked.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Um...wouldn't this depend on the area? There are really terrible teachers in Detroit who make six figures and there are awesome teachers who work in rural areas and buy school supplies for their students out of their own check even though they are barely getting by themselves.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You know, I dont normally play this card, and it might not necessarily be true of you, but this notion that top excurives are "overpaid" simply by virtue of being top paid executives is bogus. In a free market, in a fully privatized industry like education would be ideally, people would get paid what the market will bear. Investors and employers pay employees for their value, not a penny more nor less. The market makes sure that people are not overpaid or underpaid.

    If you think teachers deserve million dollar salaries and executives don't, that is sweet and childlike in its naïveté. But it is wrong. Teachers may be doing God's work, and executives might generally be d-bags, but they get paid what the market will bear.
    Guy, you seem to see the market as a purely rational and impartial mechanism, free from faults when let to run itself. With that in mind, what do you think the explanation is for the fact that CEO wages have increases by several magnitudes over the last few decades? What do you think led to that happening?
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Overpaid - Generally yes, although it varies from one school district to the next. A telltale sign that people are being overpaid is if the school gets far more qualified applicants than it can actually hire. And in most schools, that is indeed the case.

    Underworked - This is more of a moral judgment than an economic question...Personally I don't think teachers are "underworked," but their pay should reflect the fact that they do not work summers. As long as people are willing to accept a salary that fairly compensates them for the amount of work they do, it's no business of mine whether they work 20 hours a week, 40 hours, or 100 hours.

    Respected and appreciated - I think most people respect and appreciate teachers. Although according to some of my teacher friends, there are some parents who think they know how to run the classroom better than the teacher does. But by and large, I think people have a positive view of teachers.
    Just to make a point, most teachers (at least around here) don't get paid for the summer, or if they do its because they agree to paid less and still draw paychecks over the summer (making the same amount annually.)
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Guy, you seem to see the market as a purely rational and impartial mechanism, free from faults when let to run itself. With that in mind, what do you think the explanation is for the fact that CEO wages have increases by several magnitudes over the last few decades? What do you think led to that happening?
    Oh boy...this is gonna be one of those Rationalist meets Empiricist moments. I do truly enjoy those.
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