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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This is based on the faulty assumption that we do not already have such an institutional system.
    I fail to see how your solution is anything less than a more extreme version of the problem.

    I wonder why we don't explore the idea of funding the school systems equally with Federal taxes instead of rewarding different districts for having higher real estate values.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Well that's just not true, especially in the fields of math and science. Take a look:

    http://www.cpre.org/images/stories/c...09%20final.pdf
    Even if we assume that educators are unbiased toward educators, we're still left with the fact that not all teachers are math and science teachers.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aderleth View Post
    Well that's lovely, but perhaps you should, maybe, answer the question in the OP, rather than bringing up what is, at best, a tangential issue?
    It is clear to anybody without an ideological ax to grind that my solution to to problem of teacher pay relates directly to the topic.

    If we are concerned whether teachers are underpaid or overpaid, there is only one solution. Let their pay be determined by the free market. The market efficiently distributes resources and in a free market nobody is overpaid or underpaid, the free market has the goldilocks effect. Everybody gets paid just right.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I fail to see how your solution is anything less than a more extreme version of the problem.

    I wonder why we don't explore the idea of funding the school systems equally with Federal taxes instead of rewarding different districts for having higher real estate values.
    So your solution to having lousy public schools in poor areas is to pool all the money into centralized public education, thus ensuring that rich and poor alike receive lousy public education.

    Your post is yet another brilliant example of nanny state "thinking."

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    In your opinon, do you believe teachers as a whole are overpaid and underworked? If so, why do you believe that? And where would you rate the teaching profession in terms of it being a respectful and appreciated profession?
    Teachers are notoriously underpaid and overworked. They work under the whim of politics and politiacl finacial battles as is the case of late under the privitization wars. Education in America has been so emaciated under this war of attrition that US students have been victimized onto the world's back burner of education. The corporate culter is killing this country and it's abilities to servwe as a model for the world.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Teachers work all week past closing hours for wages far short of what their students will make. I'm pretty sure you have the under and over mixed up bud
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    So your solution to having lousy public schools in poor areas is to pool al the money into centralized public education, thus ensuring that rich and poor alike receive lousy public education.

    Your post is yet another brilliant example of nanny state "thinking."
    Your analysis of the problem and your solution are the same thing. And your post doesn't address that those lousy public schools have the worst funding.
    Last edited by Cardinal; 08-31-12 at 05:35 PM.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    End public schools and let the market allocate teacher salaries in a privatized educational system. That is the only way to ensure that teachers will neither be overpaid nor underpaid.

    If education is privatized, teachers will be paid exactly what the market will bear.
    No, if education is privatized, teachers will be grossly underpaid; the top executives of these private companies will be overpaid; the company owners will overcharge the state with abandon because their generous donations to the local political machine will allow them to do so; education will take a serious downturn and eventually cost more than ever; people like you will be scratching their heads wondering what went wrong with their utterly naive, neoconservative, pseudo-libertarian "bright ideas."

    If you want to know what is wrong with our education system, start examining what the schools actually pay for desks and computers, etc., and then compare these prices to what such items go for at the local Staples. Then start asking yourself why textbooks should cost as much as they do.

    You can privatize all you want, but until you figure a way to keep private industry from bilking the taxpayer to death via pay-to-play schemes with local, state, and federal government officials, you will only make matters worse---much worse.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It is clear to anybody without an ideological ax to grind that my solution to to problem of teacher pay relates directly to the topic.

    If we are concerned whether teachers are underpaid or overpaid, there is only one solution. Let their pay be determined by the free market. The market efficiently distributes resources and in a free market nobody is overpaid or underpaid, the free market has the goldilocks effect. Everybody gets paid just right.
    Once again: you haven't answered the two questions in the OP, and have instead chosen to answer a completely different question, one that was not asked. Anybody without an ideological axe to grind can see that pretty clearly.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Even if we assume that educators are unbiased toward educators, we're still left with the fact that not all teachers are math and science teachers.
    And this tells us what, in you opinion?

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