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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Because the employees have EARNED them. Because the labor is what creates the value. Because without labor there is nothing. Because the rich fat cats don't get rich without that labor. Because without the bargaining power the workers don't get a fair share of the pie. Because 15 cents an hour is not fair compensation. Because a rich fat cat who hasn't created the wealth doesn't deserve a luxury yacht in the Mediterranean while the person who has created the actual wealth has his life destroyed in poverty. Need I go on?
    Exactly the cowardly hypocrisy of the corporate sheep. They get all puffed up with their sissyfit resentment of welfare queens or politicians' taxpayer-paid trips to foreign luxury spots but not a peep out of them about the bosses' worker-paid trophy lifestyle.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do you believe people are owed communication and road services?

    Why do you think people are owed something for their own personal benefit at the expense of others?
    That's another brainwashed misconception about education. It is estimated that the average college graduate contributes half a million dollars to the economy (it would be much more if college graduates weren't so average). Plus their employers make all their excess wealth off their most talented employees. Flying in the face of reality, people keep insisting that education merely benefits the invidual and he must sacrifice for what is only his reward, as if he were majoriing in casino gambling (see the movie "21").
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
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    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, I suppose if you want to live in Mad Max land while the rest of the world leaves us behind in the stone age, then no, I guess those things aren't necessary at all.
    Exactly why the Third World is so backwards. The multiculties have forbidden any characterization of these people, but I have noticed that they have no consideration for others, such as leaving glass bottles in parking lots, not flushing toilets, etc. Another lie is that they are oppressed, when they would do the oppressing if they had any power, they are so self-centered.

    So are our Neanderthal right wingers. Their idea of leadership is to grunt, howl at the moon, pound their chests, and beat people over the head with a club. Or should I say Country Club?
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    There were no unions in the Soviet Union. Socialism is a fake alternative created by the capitalists' spoiled brats who hated their fathers but still wanted to be dicatators over the working class. You've been tricked because you want to be an adopted son of the rich and a traitor to your class. The two ideologies are only followed by those with no pride who want to believe that sheep are provided with Good Shepherds from one faction or other of the fleecing class.
    This post contained nothing more than a demented rambling. It does not deserve a detailed response, suffice to say it is entirely wrong.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    1% to do with schools, 99% to do with parents
    The reason education continues to go downhill is that we keep blaming the same things and never realize that things fail to change because we ignore the real situation in the students' worldview. You can't play this tired blame game about sports, even though very few parents push their children in that area. Then what does make sports achievement happen almost as much as the talent available? It is in the students' peer group that the motivation arises, and it is also because of the students' anti-education attitude that the inadequate development of academic talent can be blamed. In my own case, I was inhibited in learning beyond homework. And when I carelessly answered non-homework questions posed by this unusual teacher I had in 7th Grade, I was immediately exposed as a freak in the minds of the other students. As a result, I personally tried to do poorly in school, but I was still condemned no matter what I did to present myself as just a normal guy. It really infuriates me that everybody ignores this key to our educational failure. Even if parents encourage their children to do well, the children will resent those with natural talent and make the smart kids' lives miserable.

    My solution, which would never occur to the unrealistic critics who ignore the world the students have to live in, is to make school more like sports. Everybody will study to contribute to the team, and the best students will be looked up to just as much as the players who hit game-winning home runs. The best team gets Friday off, the worst have to come in on Saturday. Individual high-scorers from four grades older will be paid to teach the Saturday remedial courses.

    Which brings up the reason we have to pay students a salary to go to college. Otherwise, they will be losers in their peer group and can't compete with non-students who have full-time jobs, cars, and dates.

    What we have in this pointless debate is a restricted multiple choice: (a) parents, (b) teachers (c) teachers' unions (d) educational methods. "None of the above" is not allowed, so multiple choice is no choice at all. We are going nowhere with the suggestions suggested to us from our designated opinion leaders, all successes in a rotten system, not in spite of it, but because they are rotten themselves. Therefore, we must have new suggestions, ones without references to the self-appointed experts, and we must consider what has been ignored in the required answers. The attitude of the students towards the achievers has deprived us of adequate development of our most valuable human resources. This attitude is a natural result of the way the system has been designed.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyNinja View Post
    I don't subscribe to socialism. Just pointing out that a true free-market system is far from flawless. Competition in the markets definitely has its upsides but just as in every competition, there are "winners" and then there are always those who, for whatever reasons, cannot compete and end up at the "back of the pack."

    I strongly support a free-market system, but never be disillusioned and falsely believe that ALL will benefit from such a system......it just isn't drawn up that way. Be prepared to deal with the vast majority who will "lag behind" in the realm of competition.......that is all I'm saying here.
    A free market gives an overwhelming future advantage to those who succeed in the first phase of competition, the only phase that is balanced. It is like the NBA champions getting the #1 draft pick. Pretty soon they would be the only ones to win any games. They'd have to be extemely bad draft-pickers to ever lose the championship again. Likewise, the rich don't have to be the best managers, they just have to be on top. So the imbalance is that some have to be obsessed with success in order to succeed at all, while others only have to go through the motions and success is guaranteed.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    Please explain how forced segregation is any better? It's not.
    You're absolutely right. It's not. I am completely against forced segregation. I am not against optional/voluntary segregation. If rich people wish to spend extra amounts of money to be essentially gated off from poor/middle-class people and disassociate with them in any possible way, I totally support it. They are afforded that privilege.

    You would be creating a privileged class. Of course I think you know this and don't care.
    Absolutely. I am not against the existence of a privileged class. Now, I don't mean privileged as in "above the law", but I have no qualms in the wealthy to gain additional personal freedoms allowed by expendable wealth. The bourgeois has been a vital and necessary existence in every thriving economic system and ideology since time immemorial.

    How they get there is a method I may or may not agree with, however. I am a hardcore meritocrat, and I think the right to rule should be extended to those who show the ability to harness that power, especially through a credible, credential-based avenue. If Bill Gates ran for the presidency, I'd vote for him over either candidate in a heartbeat.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    In your opinon, do you believe teachers as a whole are overpaid and underworked? If so, why do you believe that? And where would you rate the teaching profession in terms of it being a respectful and appreciated profession?
    Can't put them in one group. Good teachers are paid just fine. Crappy teachers are way over paid.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You're absolutely right. It's not. I am completely against forced segregation. I am not against optional/voluntary segregation. If rich people wish to spend extra amounts of money to be essentially gated off from poor/middle-class people and disassociate with them in any possible way, I totally support it. They are afforded that privilege.
    I have no problem with that either, until they get involved in politics. With all that money they have a voice with which politicians are bought and paid for. Leaving the underclasses or back bone when talking about the middle class of this country with nothing but a wasted vote. They are disconnected with what is going on down below their "station." Then we get candidates like Gore and Romney, who have no clue on how bad things really are when you are paying $4.00 a gallon in a 10 year old car to work for $7 or $8 an hour with no benefits or even hope for that matter.

    I mean really we would rather not go back to the 18th century if you don't mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Absolutely. I am not against the existence of a privileged class. Now, I don't mean privileged as in "above the law", but I have no qualms in the wealthy to gain additional personal freedoms allowed by expendable wealth. The bourgeois has been a vital and necessary existence in every thriving economic system and ideology since time immemorial.
    That is exactly what I am talking about. Listen to yourself? In one sentence you are all about "equal under the law" and then say they can "buy extra personal freedom."

    Nothing equal about that under any law. Freedom is just that. It is not something you should be able to buy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    How they get there is a method I may or may not agree with, however. I am a hardcore meritocrat, and I think the right to rule should be extended to those who show the ability to harness that power, especially through a credible, credential-based avenue. If Bill Gates ran for the presidency, I'd vote for him over either candidate in a heartbeat.
    Yes because it not like he used unfair and illegal in some cases, business practices and was forced to split up the company he started, lol.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    That is exactly what I am talking about. Listen to yourself? In one sentence you are all about "equal under the law" and then say they can "buy extra personal freedom."

    Nothing equal about that under any law. Freedom is just that. It is not something you should be able to buy.
    If money allows me freedom to not live stressed out by paycheck-to-paycheck status, so be it. If having a brand new Lexus allows me freedom to go wherever I want to go while someone else is stuck at home with a broken-down hoopty, so be it. Money, in general, shouldn't be allowed to buy yourself out of trouble, but if it can ease a mind from work-a-day worries, that's wonderful for them.

    Yes because it not like he used unfair and illegal in some cases, business practices and was forced to split up the company he started, lol.
    Being legal doesn't make it right. Some of the antitrust laws around these days are intrusive, overextending, and borderline criminal.

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