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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Some kinds work well, such as ones based on actions and choices done under one's own volition. I know you, being black, automatically assume the word "segregate" means by race (which is a bad form), but it can also mean separation by other factors that can be voluntary (which are good forms).
    Being black has nothing to do with it, hehehe. I would have called you a racist if I thought that had anything to do with it. My problem is segregating people for any reason is not what being free or equal under the law is all about.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    My problem is segregating people for any reason is not what being free or equal under the law is all about.
    I'd argue otherwise, and would make a claim that freedom is how we're able to segregate. People tend to flock to others who are similar to their own. Most intellectuals don't hang out excessively with dimwits, rich seldom spend excessive amounts of time with the poor, and evangelicals do not associate with atheists. They do this because they are allowed to, and are not forced into association or cohabitation by some massive "invisible" force.

    Make no mistake about it - segregation was never a force of government. It was and is a force of society.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'd argue otherwise, and would make a claim that freedom is how we're able to segregate. People tend to flock to others who are similar to their own. Most intellectuals don't hang out excessively with dimwits, rich seldom spend excessive amounts of time with the poor, and evangelicals do not associate with atheists. They do this because they are allowed to, and are not forced into association or cohabitation by some massive "invisible" force.
    And you would be wrong and a hypocrite at the same time. Please explain how forced segregation is any better? It's not. Huge difference between people not associating by choice and being forced into a group by the government no less. Way to fascist for me, lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Make no mistake about it - segregation was never a force of government. It was and is a force of society.
    Which is why civilized nations abandoned it. Forced segrigation has never worked in the long run and never will. You would be creating a privileged class. Of course I think you know this and don't care.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Aside from that its a ploy for the rich to exlude the poor....what good is a voucher if you absolutely cant afford the rest of the tuition
    you think schools will deliberately choose to lose money by refusing to take students who bring only the government money? what an interesting concept. do you have any evidence supporting this?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'd argue otherwise, and would make a claim that freedom is how we're able to segregate. People tend to flock to others who are similar to their own. Most intellectuals don't hang out excessively with dimwits, rich seldom spend excessive amounts of time with the poor, and evangelicals do not associate with atheists. They do this because they are allowed to, and are not forced into association or cohabitation by some massive "invisible" force.

    Make no mistake about it - segregation was never a force of government. It was and is a force of society.
    on the contrary; economically segregation has generally required government intervention in order to ensure. otherwise all those damn capitalists keep trying to maximize the return on their investment.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you think schools will deliberately choose to lose money by refusing to take students who bring only the government money? what an interesting concept. do you have any evidence supporting this?
    Yeah the evidence is that charter and parochial schools right now today dont LOWER their tuitions for parents that cant pay the 5,000 per year and do you have any evidence that the govt is going to give EACH parent in the USA 5,000 per kid for private school.
    Thats average....the average in 2009 was 4,000 in some areas of the countries less...and some areas ALOT MORE....

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Yeah the evidence is that charter and parochial schools right now today dont LOWER their tuitions for parents that cant pay the 5,000 per year and do you have any evidence that the govt is going to give EACH parent in the USA 5,000 per kid for private school.
    actually the evidence thus far is that private schools are able to educate students better for less than government schools spend per student. But be that as it may, no one in the reform movement mainstream is suggesting getting rid of the government schools overnight, or even doing so as part of a deliberate program. we are simply saying make them compete for students.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    actually the evidence thus far is that private schools are able to educate students better for less than government schools spend per student. But be that as it may, no one in the reform movement mainstream is suggesting getting rid of the government schools overnight, or even doing so as part of a deliberate program. we are simply saying make them compete for students.
    That does not answer my question.....Your trying to tell me that all states will pay the total price for private schools for those that cant afford it...and i would like you to show me where romney/ryan or anyone else guaranteed that. Republican Govs wont even cover their citizens that dont have health insurance because they wont institute the new health plan..

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This is not an argument, it's a collection of socialist slogans.
    There were no unions in the Soviet Union. Socialism is a fake alternative created by the capitalists' spoiled brats who hated their fathers but still wanted to be dicatators over the working class. You've been tricked because you want to be an adopted son of the rich and a traitor to your class. The two ideologies are only followed by those with no pride who want to believe that sheep are provided with Good Shepherds from one faction or other of the fleecing class.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You talked as if you know how teaching actually works. How much experience do you have in the classroom?
    Typical of how you all miss the point when you ignore the fact that being a student counts as experience in the classroom. Everybody here is treating students as if they were inanimate school property.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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