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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    So your answer is zero, as in, you have no classroom experience of any kind? (Being a student does not count.)
    So you're basically admitting that you have no actual argument, you are simply acting out of base career protectionism. So your credibility and objectivity are zero.

    Good to know

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    I was a teacher at the YMCA for maybe a year. All I did was the after school which was K-8, and that was all it took. Our teachers are stressed, under appreciated and then we expect them to preform with the only recourse for discipline is a freaking time out? Public, charter AND private sector schools are here to stay, that's the end of it. We need to at least make some kind of effort to appreciate and support them.

    Back in my day the teacher say's "I am telling your parents" and you knew you were in for it. Now days it's the exact opposite? WTF happened you self absorbed uppity assholes?

    Who ever voted "yes," you should be ashamed.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    That sounds great until you realize that you can't just set artificial wage guidelines and expect reality to follow suit. This is akin to calling a circle a rectangle. It will, somehow, remain a circle no matter how hard you call it a rectangle. No matter how hard you try to set artificial wage guidelines, reality will always sink in. Even if the law says that you need to pay somebody 5.15 an hour, if the market will not bear that amount, something's gotta give. If the law won't budge, the purchasing power of the money will sink. Why else do you think the minimum wage needs to be raised every few years?
    If a government is paying the wage, than it be whatever the entity sets it to be.

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    There was never a time when there weren't drugs. What kind of conspiracy theorist crap is this?

    You think alcohol isn't a drug or something?

    You have a remarkable way of burying your head in the sand and ignoring the most obvious of facts, buying into the most naive nonsense, not caring at all about the realities of money. Yet that never seems to stop you from crowing about how "rational" you are.

    Go on, keep patting yourself on the back about your logic, when it is obvious to any rational observer how specious your logic is and how weak your arguments ultimately are. You're impervious to logic yourself, anyway, so what does it matter?
    So you are going to state a reason why this is a bad conclusion?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog
    Back in my day the teacher say's "I am telling your parents" and you knew you were in for it. Now days it's the exact opposite? WTF happened you self absorbed uppity assholes?
    1% to do with schools, 99% to do with parents.

    Seems to reason that the biggest overhaul needed for our education system is accountability by parents. Once again, I return to the voucher system. There are schools out there for active parents and children who want to learn and succeed. If that's true, there should also be schools out there for parents who take no active interest in their kids' educations and children who want to do nothing more than slip through the cracks of a revolving-door system.

    There. Everyone's happy. You can't force a parent to care, but you can sequester them so they're not damaging to parents and children that are actually worth a damn.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    1% to do with schools, 99% to do with parents.

    Seems to reason that the biggest overhaul needed for our education system is accountability by parents. Once again, I return to the voucher system. There are schools out there for active parents and children who want to learn and succeed. If that's true, there should also be schools out there for parents who take no active interest in their kids' educations and children who want to do nothing more than slip through the cracks of a revolving-door system.

    There. Everyone's happy. You can't force a parent to care, but you can sequester them so they're not damaging to parents and children that are actually worth a damn.
    How does it help the children for their parents to allow them to slip through the cracks?

    It seems that your solution transfers the problem from one of unequal funding to one allowing parents to make crappy choices for their kids. Both ways, the kids lose.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    1% to do with schools, 99% to do with parents.

    Seems to reason that the biggest overhaul needed for our education system is accountability by parents.
    Yep, agreed.

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    Once again, I return to the voucher system. There are schools out there for active parents and children who want to learn and succeed. If that's true, there should also be schools out there for parents who take no active interest in their kids' educations and children who want to do nothing more than slip through the cracks of a revolving-door system.

    There. Everyone's happy. You can't force a parent to care, but you can sequester them so they're not damaging to parents and children that are actually worth a damn.
    The voucher system would not work. Everyone must be equal under the law. This includes good and bad parents or students.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yep, agreed.



    The voucher system would not work. Everyone must be equal under the law. This includes good and bad parents or students.


    Aside from that its a ploy for the rich to exlude the poor....what good is a voucher if you absolutely cant afford the rest of the tuition

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Aside from that its a ploy for the rich to exlude the poor....what good is a voucher if you absolutely cant afford the rest of the tuition
    It would be worthless. It is just another failed RINO solution that would work about as well as "no child left behind." Now instead of teaching how to really read and write etc. Or God forbid balance a check book etc. They are teaching to pass a test so they don't lose Federal funding. What a joke.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If a government is paying the wage, than it be whatever the entity sets it to be.
    Are you trying to prove me right about you habitual illogic? If government is paying the wage to provide free services, where is that money supposed to come from?



    So you are going to state a reason why this is a bad conclusion?
    I already did. Hard drugs have always, since time immemorial, been available to the poor.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    ...institutionalizing an aristocratic class system overnight.
    Certainly would be an acceleration of what has been going on over the last 30 years.

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