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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do you believe people are owed communication and road services?

    Why do you think people are owed something for their own personal benefit at the expense of others?
    Well, I suppose if you want to live in Mad Max land while the rest of the world leaves us behind in the stone age, then no, I guess those things aren't necessary at all.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, I suppose if you want to live in Mad Max land while the rest of the world leaves us behind in the stone age, then no, I guess those things aren't necessary at all.
    I don't care what you think will happen as a result if we aren't paying for road upkeep or paying for people to have unworkable systems available to them or provided for them. That was not the question posed to you.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    The results of the thread speaks for itself. What I find peculiar is that Conservatives harp on personal responsibility, when you have teachers that many if not most have masters degrees and do work everyday to be successful, the vilify them and have audacity to say they are paid to much. When their buddies the CEOS make millions for less education many times and get more millions in bonus for FAILING their companies and investors and the conservatives dont mind that one bit....talk about hypocrisy and as this cop puts it..and BS

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't care what you think will happen as a result if we aren't paying for road upkeep or paying for people to have unworkable systems available to them or provided for them. That was not the question posed to you.
    I did answer your question with the Mad Max comment, which was to mean that without those services (specifically, government services) we would be an unintegrated country, and would therefore be unable to keep up with the rest of the world.

    A really good example of this is internet and mobile phone/satellite services. These are two major communication services without government competition, and anyone who's ever done a cross country road trip can tell you how spotty those services get as you cross from one area into the next. If roads were like that then travel and transportation of goods would reduce our ability to function to only a rudimentary level, and certainly impair our ability to compete on an international level. Also because the military is national, attacking Vermont bears the same consequences as attacking Hawaii, and that makes us all more secure.

    Of course, this argument is really only made for someone who agrees with the idea that an integrated United States is a good thing. For someone who doesn't believe that then I'm not sure what to argue at that point.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    So Henrin your saying you would be better off without infrastructure? I'm not following.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I did answer your question with the Mad Max comment, which was to mean that without those services (specifically, government services) we would be an unintegrated country, and would therefore be unable to keep up with the rest of the world.

    A really good example of this is internet and mobile phone/satellite services. These are two major communication services without government competition, and anyone who's ever done a cross country road trip can tell you how spotty those services get as you cross from one area into the next
    Just so you know Internet services couldn't be maintained without a large amount of public funds. I find conservatives like you have generally accepted this idea of building nonsensical things to our benefit. To much to your surprise that is actually backfiring as the government has gained more ground in the marketplace and our lives. It would be to your benefit to consider how you could upgrade the system to be workable in the private sector completely.

    If roads were like that then travel and transportation of goods would reduce our ability to function to only a rudimentary level, and certainly impair our ability to compete on an international level.
    I don't find that statement has much truth behind it. Surely the roads would change and the system would most likely be smaller, but it wouldn't shut us down as a country.

    Also because the military is national, attacking Vermont bears the same consequences as attacking Hawaii, and that makes us all more secure.
    I know you included this in your original statement, but I did not include it my question to you.

    Of course, this argument is really only made for someone who agrees with the idea that an integrated United States is a good thing. For someone who doesn't believe that then I'm not sure what to argue at that point.
    I'm all for trade in between states and the sort.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Just so you know Internet services couldn't be maintained without a large amount of public funds. I find conservatives like you have generally accepted this idea of building nonsensical things to our benefit. To much to your surprise that is actually backfiring as the government has gained more ground in the marketplace and our lives. It would be to your benefit to consider how you could upgrade the system to be workable in the private sector completely.
    The trend of the government is toward privatization, so I'm not sure where you're getting this. Also, in spite of public subsidizing of various telecommunications companies they still call the shots in where extra towers are built and who gets the fastest connection speeds, which is why they've largely neglected very rural areas as not being profitable enough.

    I don't find that statement has much truth behind it. Surely the roads would change and the system would most likely be smaller, but it wouldn't shut us down as a country.
    Didn't say we'd be shut down, but that we'd operate at a rudimentary level, which would be anything in a pre-highway system.


    I know you included this in your original statement, but I did not include it my question to you.
    You mean this question?

    Why do you believe people are owed communication and road services?

    Why do you think people are owed something for their own personal benefit at the expense of others?
    Well, why would I go there? You've already made it perfectly clear that any benefit to one individual is not worth the cost to another. If discussing this with you, it's a completely fruitless direction to go in.

    I'm all for trade in between states and the sort.
    Then surely you understand how a highly inconsistent road system would impair that? Can you also imagine how different standards to how those roads might be built (say, different weight bearing methods, different widths, etc) might impair trucks from traveling from one region to another. Yet because of Federal standards drivers are able to haul their loads from Florida to California with only minimal changes in State laws.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    It is basic human morality to pay significantly more for labor than it is worth, thereby forcing the price of your goods higher and dooming your business to death and your workers to unemployment?

    Huh. I must have missed that class.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Typical lib response, just throw more money at a problem and it will go away. In reality the only thing that goes away is the money itself.
    I'm amazed at your ability to conjure up political hyperbole from that simple fact.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Humans are often herd animals and will not necessarily be moral of it suits them. But yes, morality is morality even if it causes you a personal disadvantage.
    I would agree. But I do not see how it is inherently moral to pay someone more in trade than the worth of the thing they are trading you. Especially when doing so would eventually rebound to their own detriment or the detriment of others.

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