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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    You talked as if you know how teaching actually works. How much experience do you have in the classroom?
    I talk as if I know how employment works and real employment is based on job performance which is something teachers are not judged on.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I talk as if I know how employment works and real employment is based on job performance which is something teachers are not judged on.
    So your answer is zero, as in, you have no classroom experience of any kind? (Being a student does not count.)
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And you should be able to force those things on the employer because...
    Because the employees have EARNED them. Because the labor is what creates the value. Because without labor there is nothing. Because the rich fat cats don't get rich without that labor. Because without the bargaining power the workers don't get a fair share of the pie. Because 15 cents an hour is not fair compensation. Because a rich fat cat who hasn't created the wealth doesn't deserve a luxury yacht in the Mediterranean while the person who has created the actual wealth has his life destroyed in poverty. Need I go on?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Because the employees have EARNED them. Because the labor is what creates the value. Because without labor there is nothing. Because the rich fat cats don't get rich without that labor. Because without the bargaining power the workers don't get a fair share of the pie. Because 15 cents an hour is not fair compensation. Because a rich fat cat who hasn't created the wealth doesn't deserve a luxury yacht in the Mediterranean while the person who has created the actual wealth has his life destroyed in poverty. Need I go on?
    Yes, please do. I am tremendously upset somebody is being paid 15 cents an hour. Where is this happening? And who is the scoundrel fat-cat on the yacht who's the employer here?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Yes, please do. I am tremendously upset somebody is being paid 15 cents an hour. Where is this happening? And who is the scoundrel fat-cat on the yacht who's the employer here?
    That happened at the turn of the 20th Century and is the inevitable result of unbridled capitalism. It doesn't happen now thanks to laws that protect workers like the minimum wage, laws that the far right want abolished.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    "Hey Im going to send you to a building with a stranger that i trust to help make you a functioning member of society, I am entrusting this person with the most precious thing in my life. Let's give them even less money." As for private school teachers getting paid more or less, my experience is that typically the pay is dependent on the kind of private school. Besides that what do people propose we do to let lower income families afford a private system? Vouchers? That wouldnt likely save money at all.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Perhaps they would get less, but than am I to believe they are owed an education? If you believe they are owed a better education why wouldn't you pay for what you believe in? Why do you need me to back you up?
    That depends on whether you believe that a high quality universal education is as vital a part of national infrastructure as roads, communications, law enforcement and a strong military. I do. If you don't...well...okay, then, I guess.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    Because the employees have EARNED them.
    No, they were granted it by the act of law.

    Because the labor is what creates the value.
    People are paid for their services which is independent of future transactions by the company. If they get other gains from their labor is in between their boss and them.

    Because without labor there is nothing.
    That means nothing.

    Because the rich fat cats don't get rich without that labor.
    That is no argument, honestly.

    Because without the bargaining power the workers don't get a fair share of the pie.
    They have the right to unionize, but not the right to force results or not pay for the result of their unionization.


    Because 15 cents an hour is not fair compensation.
    Pure Hyperbole.

    Because a rich fat cat who hasn't created the wealth doesn't deserve a luxury yacht in the Mediterranean while the person who has created the actual wealth has his life destroyed in poverty. Need I go on?
    What quality of life do you expect for the workers in question?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That depends on whether you believe that a high quality universal education is as vital a part of national infrastructure as roads, communications, law enforcement and a strong military. I do. If you don't...well...okay, then, I guess.
    Why do you believe people are owed communication and road services?

    Why do you think people are owed something for their own personal benefit at the expense of others?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do you believe people are owed communication and road services?

    Why do you think people are owed something for their own personal benefit at the expense of others?
    Is this a riddle or something? I don't understand.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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