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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It is because our system is not a free market, rather it is a corrupt corporatist plutocracy. So what looks like a free market is really a wildly distorted and corrupt system that, from a libertarian perspective, is more like the Maria the a free market.
    This is the first thing you've said on this thread that I can agree with. Apart from the Maria bit. That's too catholic for my taste.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A glut of qualified teachers available *is* an indicator that salaries are too high. Because the supply exceeds the demand.
    I don't accept the assertion that because supply outstrips demand the value of the labour is hence over-valued. As Guy pointed out, we do not operate in a free market economy. If it were then your assertion might be correct.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Problem is, there are crappy workers in any profession. There are crappy lawyers, doctors, etc. Teachers aren't the only profession where there are crappy workers.

    People seem to forget that.
    The difference is crappy teachers can't get fired for being crappy teachers because of the teachers union. If that union was removed crappy teachers would be removed too and good teachers could take their place. This would fix our education problem and save money.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Not only are teachers over paid and under worked they are in a union that guarantees them employment no matter how bad they are at their job. A teacher can't be fired unless they are caught having sex with a student and their union is probably working on that as we speak.
    Blatant falsehood. Teachers have been given due process when the school district attempts to fire them, to protect against corrupt administrators.

    Fewer things will demotivate teachers more than their sensing a major lack of support from their administration, and these protections help to guard against some of that.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Blatant falsehood. Teachers have been given due process when the school district attempts to fire them, to protect against corrupt administrators.

    Fewer things will demotivate teachers more than their sensing a major lack of support from their administration, and these protections help to guard against some of that.
    In every other non union job you get raises and promotions based on performance and you get fired if you don't live up to standards,why should teachers be any different?

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    Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Everyone, in every occupation is overpaid and underworked, except for me, I'm underpaid and overworked.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    The students, who create the value of education, are not rewarded at all, except 5 to 20 years later, which is no motivational factor. Considering all the unnecessary and unusable learning they are required to do, they are overworked, which is why they refuse to do it. The situation here is a slow-down strike action by the student work force.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    The students, who create the value of education, are not rewarded at all, except 5 to 20 years later, which is no motivational factor. Considering all the unnecessary and unusable learning they are required to do, they are overworked, which is why they refuse to do it. The situation here is a slow-down strike action by the student work force.
    As a current student..i wholeheartedly disagree with the bolded
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    No, if education is privatized, teachers will be grossly underpaid; the top executives of these private companies will be overpaid; the company owners will overcharge the state with abandon because their generous donations to the local political machine will allow them to do so; education will take a serious downturn and eventually cost more than ever; people like you will be scratching their heads wondering what went wrong with their utterly naive, neoconservative, pseudo-libertarian "bright ideas."

    If you want to know what is wrong with our education system, start examining what the schools actually pay for desks and computers, etc., and then compare these prices to what such items go for at the local Staples. Then start asking yourself why textbooks should cost as much as they do.

    You can privatize all you want, but until you figure a way to keep private industry from bilking the taxpayer to death via pay-to-play schemes with local, state, and federal government officials, you will only make matters worse---much worse.
    The free market is a fleece market; the Good Shepherds of Wall Street clip the sheeple bald. The only market force is the force of dominant wealth. A free market means that the rich who control the market are free to do anything they want.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Guy, you seem to see the market as a purely rational and impartial mechanism, free from faults when let to run itself. With that in mind, what do you think the explanation is for the fact that CEO wages have increases by several magnitudes over the last few decades? What do you think led to that happening?
    In reality, the free market turns out to be chaotic anarchy, dog-eat-dog law of the jungle. What would a free market in traffic be? Those who drove cars built like tanks would be the only survivors. What about a free market in disease? History disproves the claim that necessity is the mother of invention, but the Little Piggies Who Go to Market would say that diseases would create a demand for cures and the market would quickly solve the problem. "Sink or swim!" is shouted out by those loafing on the deck of a yacht. Most people drown from that survival-of-the fittest attitude.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
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