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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I can't figure out how forcing people to give you want you want is moral. Can you help me there?
    Honestly? Really truly honestly? The better question would be can anyone help an intentionally closed mind understand that?

    The answer is clearly that such a task is beyond the abilities of even the greatest of any teacher. When a persons mind was made up a very long time ago and is closed to anything but their own self imposed ideology, such a task is impossible and is silly to undertake. Some persons believe what they want to believe because they believe it and nothing anybody says or tells them is going to make any difference or help them understand anything that them do not want to understand.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I agree, but I would also be concerned about the kids with parents who don't properly value their education. The family's income limits the selection, but it's safe to say that not every parent will put their child in the top school they can afford, some even choosing the cheapest out of selfishness.
    Why is none of you people helping to bring free educational services to the online world? Why is none of you people helping there?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Honestly? Really truly honestly? The better question would be can anyone help an intentionally closed mind understand that?

    The answer is clearly that such a task is beyond the abilities of even the greatest of any teacher. When a persons mind was made up a very long time ago and is closed to anything but their own self imposed ideology, such a task is impossible and is silly to undertake. Some persons believe what they want to believe because they believe it and nothing anybody says or tells them is going to make any difference or help them understand anything that them do not want to understand.

    It is like trying to plant orchid seeds on the hard concrete airport tarmac in Dubai in summertime.
    Yes, but how is it moral to force actions on others for your own personal benefit? Keep in mind mega brought this up so I'm just here trying to figure out how it makes sense.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, but how is it moral to force actions on others for your own personal benefit? Keep in mind mega brought this up so I'm just here trying to figure out how it makes sense.
    Where did I bring this up?

    And you are not just here to "figure out how it makes sense". Not by a long shot.

    In order to do that one must first approach with an open mind.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Honestly? Really truly honestly? The better question would be can anyone help an intentionally closed mind understand that?

    The answer is clearly that such a task is beyond the abilities of even the greatest of any teacher. When a persons mind was made up a very long time ago and is closed to anything but their own self imposed ideology, such a task is impossible and is silly to undertake. Some persons believe what they want to believe because they believe it and nothing anybody says or tells them is going to make any difference or help them understand anything that them do not want to understand.

    It is like trying to plant orchid seeds on the hard concrete airport tarmac in Dubai in summertime.
    Is that a long way of saying that you lack the ability to explain it in a way that does not sound coercive or otherwise inimical to actual morality?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is none of you people helping to bring free educational services to the online world? Why is none of you people helping there?
    What do you mean "you people"?
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    What do you mean "you people"?
    All you people that support this argument of his.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Not only are teachers over paid and under worked they are in a union that guarantees them employment no matter how bad they are at their job. A teacher can't be fired unless they are caught having sex with a student and their union is probably working on that as we speak.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Not only are teachers over paid and under worked they are in a union that guarantees them employment no matter how bad they are at their job. A teacher can't be fired unless they are caught having sex with a student and their union is probably working on that as we speak.
    Do you personally know any teachers?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Do you personally know any teachers?
    Funny you should ask, yes I know several. Every one of them went into teaching in their 30s after they failed at everything else they tried. They are all liberals and all pretty much worthless bums. When all else fails, teach.

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