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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    And somehow that's a good thing? At the turn of the 20th Century what the market would bear for factory workers was 15 cents an hour 16 hours a day with no time and a half for overtime, no workman's comp, no healthcare benefits, and no vacation, and no collective bargaining representation. But "what the market will bear" will somehow save us all.
    And you should be able to force those things on the employer because...

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The issue is that some people would see a marked decrease in their education, and its those people that I worry about.
    Perhaps they would get less, but than am I to believe they are owed an education? If you believe they are owed a better education why wouldn't you pay for what you believe in? Why do you need me to back you up?

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    And you should be able to force those things on the employer because...
    Basic human morality. Really the employer should already be doing it or be unable to sleep at night due to a guilty conscience.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    In your opinon, do you believe teachers as a whole are overpaid and underworked? If so, why do you believe that? And where would you rate the teaching profession in terms of it being a respectful and appreciated profession?
    Teachers are generally underpaid and (depending on state and locality) can still be overcompensated, a self-destructive model that does not always attract the high-performers that we want in such a critical profession. Teachers being under or overworked is more due to individual circumstances, to include motivation.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Basic human morality. Really the employer should already be doing it or be unable to sleep at night due to a guilty conscience.
    ??????

    That doesn't even make sense.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The issue with a fully private education system is that you will get the education you can afford. If you're very wealthy, your children will get a top-notch education that will enable him or her to be successful in life. If you're very poor, your children will get a substandard education that will hinder them from rising to their full potential. That is the very definition of an uneven playing field. While our current system is not perfect, it is more equal than a purely private system would be.
    I agree, but I would also be concerned about the kids with parents who don't properly value their education. The family's income limits the selection, but it's safe to say that not every parent will put their child in the top school they can afford, some even choosing the cheapest out of selfishness.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Basic human morality. Really the employer should already be doing it or be unable to sleep at night due to a guilty conscience.

    It is basic human morality to pay significantly more for labor than it is worth, thereby forcing the price of your goods higher and dooming your business to death and your workers to unemployment?

    Huh. I must have missed that class.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    ??????

    That doesn't even make sense.
    His morality finds reality offensive.

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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    ??????

    That doesn't even make sense.
    Only to those without the requisite conscience.
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    Re: Are Teachers Overpaid and Underworked?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Only to those without the requisite conscience.

    I can't figure out how forcing people to give you want you want is moral. Can you help me there?

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