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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No. Whether someone is good at running marathons or excels at basketball or football is entirely dependent on how hard they individually work to achieve their goal. Certainly has nothing to do with what country or race they are.
    Are you claiming it's impractical to have weight classes in boxing?

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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Are you claiming it's impractical to have weight classes in boxing?
    Nope. But then weight classes have absolutely nothing to do with race. It only considers peoples weight and nothing else.
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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    I am a pragmatist but I am not racist. If a person, regardless of sexuality, sex, race, etc, is better at something than another person, then person a should do that. Jamaicans are better at short sprints and Kenyans are better at long runs. If I wanted to make a track team I'd probably go to Kenya and Jamaica. That's not racist, that's just using your resources.
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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nope. But then weight classes have absolutely nothing to do with race. It only considers peoples weight and nothing else.
    ...so you're prejudiced towards one physical characteristic, but not another?

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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndependent View Post
    I am a pragmatist but I am not racist. If a person, regardless of sexuality, sex, race, etc, is better at something than another person, then person a should do that. Jamaicans are better at short sprints and Kenyans are better at long runs. If I wanted to make a track team I'd probably go to Kenya and Jamaica. That's not racist, that's just using your resources.
    I didn't say all pragmatists would be racists.

    You're a smart person, so pragmatism doesn't imbue racism in your mind, but someone with less attention wouldn't be able to exercise pragmatism in a non-racist manner.

    When pragmatism is broadcast into the public domain, it contacts smart and dumb people alike.

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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    ...so you're prejudiced towards one physical characteristic, but not another?
    There are ways to change your weight, there aren't ways to change your race/nationality.

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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    I didn't say all pragmatists would be racists.

    You're a smart person, so pragmatism doesn't imbue racism in your mind, but someone with less attention wouldn't be able to exercise pragmatism in a non-racist manner.

    When pragmatism is broadcast into the public domain, it contacts smart and dumb people alike.
    I'm not exactly sure how pragmatism could cause prejudice unless the pragmatist that was spreading his beliefs was prejudiced himself.
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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Would you agree it's pragmatic to conclude that Kenyans are good at running Marathons, or that blacks excel at basketball or football?
    I'm not the one you asked. I'm a retired design engineer, parents were both artists. Pragmatic in our processes you bet. So, to continue, it is not "pragmatic to conclude that Kenyans are good at running Marathons, or that blacks excel at basketball or football" a correct description of pragmatism. There isn’t even enough data to conclude this. To describe an extreme of the case you try to make: It could be that there is a particular gene that is associated with the possibility of playing basketball well and some groups of ‘blacks’ have it in 2% of their population while other groups of blacks and all others have it in 1% of their population. Then you would find that a certain group of blacks had double the possibility of being good a basketball. And you think that describes the character of a race? And you think that that is pragmatic thought? Think again.

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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    ...so you're prejudiced towards one physical characteristic, but not another?
    Nope. The weight classes are to pit like people against each other so that there is fairness. After all, its not exactly fair to pit a 120 lb guy vs a 300 lb guy right? You couldn't have picked the worst possible analogy to use to prove your case.
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    Re: Pragmatism and Racism

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I'm not the one you asked. I'm a retired design engineer, parents were both artists. Pragmatic in our processes you bet. So, to continue, it is not "pragmatic to conclude that Kenyans are good at running Marathons, or that blacks excel at basketball or football" a correct description of pragmatism. There isn’t even enough data to conclude this. To describe an extreme of the case you try to make: It could be that there is a particular gene that is associated with the possibility of playing basketball well and some groups of ‘blacks’ have it in 2% of their population while other groups of blacks and all others have it in 1% of their population. Then you would find that a certain group of blacks had double the possibility of being good a basketball. And you think that describes the character of a race? And you think that that is pragmatic thought? Think again.
    The degree of satisfactory evidence isn't the same for everyone.

    For people with less attention to spare, they can only assess so much information before it becomes impractical.

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