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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're required to provide your SS card because they have to know what account to credit with the money they withhold. It's not identification, it's tax information.

    What's wrong with just having another card with your picture on it? Besides, you don't exactly want to be flashing your SS# to people, it leads to identity theft.
    it would simply be one form of ID accepted at the polls. if one didn't want to use it, they could use any other form of ID.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Generally, I'm for a photo ID being required to vote.

    However, the scenario below makes me think our country is doomed to being a cluster-phuck of incompetence and idiocy.

    If what happens below is common place - I think internet and text voting (like American Idol) might be just as effective.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hairytic View Post
    I live in Mississippi. We have a new voter ID law. I have voted every year from the time I turned 18. I am currently disabled, so I do not drive any more and my drivers license expired. I took my birth certificate and marriage licence to the DMV to get my ID so I could vote. They then said I had to provide Documentation of my previous divorces because they had to link my name changes. I had an expired drivers license and an expired military ID. I had never had to provide divorce papers to get those forms of IDs in the past. Once I got my divorce papers together and went back to the DMV, they then requested my previous marriage license to show I had beem married to the person I had divorced. It is not easy for me to get out of the house, and at this point I had already made two trips. I had to get my congressman involved. According to my congressman, my expired military ID and DL should have been all I needed. After many months of arguing my point, I finally got my ID. This is not always an easy process for everyone. My story is not uncommon. I think the new voter ID laws are an attempt to suppress the vote.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Cause it will mainly affect minority voters, and minority voters are usually Democrats?
    Evidence? Can you show what percentage of "majority" voters do and do not have photo id? Can you show the lack of availability of photo ID for minority voters? Note a lack of availability, which can include but is not limited to excessive cost, is NOT the same as not bothering to obtain. To wit, if in PA (was it?), ID's are available for free, then there is no lack of availability. Also note that I do support an alternative method for those rare (comparatively speaking) individuals who are unable to physically reach an ID issuance location or polling place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Generally, I'm for a photo ID being required to vote.
    However, the scenario below makes me think our country is doomed to being a cluster-phuck of incompetence and idiocy.
    If what happens below is common place - I think internet and text voting (like American Idol) might be just as effective.
    My only response to this is do not mistake general bureaucratic bullcrap red tape with an active attempt to suppress voting. I know some states are not as bad as the story given. For that matter the bullcrap you have to deal with for any given agency can vary from office to office within a given state.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Evidence? Can you show what percentage of "majority" voters do and do not have photo id? Can you show the lack of availability of photo ID for minority voters? Note a lack of availability, which can include but is not limited to excessive cost, is NOT the same as not bothering to obtain. To wit, if in PA (was it?), ID's are available for free, then there is no lack of availability. Also note that I do support an alternative method for those rare (comparatively speaking) individuals who are unable to physically reach an ID issuance location or polling place.



    My only response to this is do not mistake general bureaucratic bullcrap red tape with an active attempt to suppress voting. I know some states are not as bad as the story given. For that matter the bullcrap you have to deal with for any given agency can vary from office to office within a given state.
    Mississippi ain't the leader in all things brilliant that's for damn sure....

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    What is your evidence and reasoning?
    Reasoning:
    Minorities are less likely to have or need a photo ID. Minorities are more likely to be liberal. Therefore, the main people who will be affected by voter ID requirements are liberals.

    Evidence:
    Voter ID laws: Why do minorities lack ID to show at the polls? - Slate Magazine
    Study: Minorities more likely to be disenfranchised by Voter ID laws | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog
    http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/...file_39242.pdf

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You already have a national ID, your social security number. What's the big deal?
    Older people may remember when Social Security cards said "Not for identification purposes".
    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    Being a psychiatric patient does not mean that you are mentally ill.



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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Evidence? Can you show what percentage of "majority" voters do and do not have photo id?
    I can. http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/...file_39242.pdf

    Can you show the lack of availability of photo ID for minority voters? Note a lack of availability, which can include but is not limited to excessive cost, is NOT the same as not bothering to obtain.
    Ah, you're covering your bases. If you can argue that minorities just aren't "bothering" to get IDs, then the voter ID requirements are totally not affecting them more. Unfortunately, that standard is dishonest and bogus. Minorities are affected more because they are less likely to have photo IDs and less like to have a reason to get them.

    That said, your bogus standard is still met since minorities are less likely to have driver's licenses to drive themselves to centers that provide voter IDs and tend to be farther away from such centers.

    To wit, if in PA (was it?), ID's are available for free, then there is no lack of availability.
    It's too bad that some Republicans don't want people to know about those free IDs.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    It's a Social Security card, not valid as ID. ID has description and photos. The SS card is just a number, anybody could show you my SS card and you wouldn't have a clue it wasn't me.
    We have a driver's license or state ID Card. Those are enough. Anything beyond that is overkill.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I can. http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/...file_39242.pdf


    Ah, you're covering your bases. If you can argue that minorities just aren't "bothering" to get IDs, then the voter ID requirements are totally not affecting them more. Unfortunately, that standard is dishonest and bogus. Minorities are affected more because they are less likely to have photo IDs and less like to have a reason to get them.

    That said, your bogus standard is still met since minorities are less likely to have driver's licenses to drive themselves to centers that provide voter IDs and tend to be farther away from such centers.


    It's too bad that some Republicans don't want people to know about those free IDs.
    It's a simple fix. The government need only designate one minority in each district to arrive at the voting booths in a government issue vehicle.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Dear Mr. Box,

    Of course a State ID or DL is enough. A SS card is not ID. So, are we agreeing or disagreeing here.

    IMHO every state should make ID available to all citizens. I think it should be free or very nominal cost.



    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox View Post
    We have a driver's license or state ID Card. Those are enough. Anything beyond that is overkill.

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