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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    I would be in favor of it if it were mandatory to have ID for all Americans and if it was not used as a way to suppress the other guys vote. As those conditions have not been fulfilled at this time, I am going to say no for now.
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And none of the new voter ID laws would stop that kind of abuse - assuming it's happening at all.
    I didn't say that it would. I was replying to a poster who said this:
    Is pretty hard in a place like this for there to be voter/election fraud, but I can easily see in large cities how it could happen
    The only way the type of fraud I suspect is to expect honesty from postal workers, and whoever else may have access to mail-in ballots, and unfortunately, I don't expect honesty to happen with any regularity these days.
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    This is a silly debate, because one side of the debate simply does not CARE about the facts. We can post statistics of how many people lack a form of voter ID. We can post statistics of how incredibly rare/nonexistent voter impersonation is. And the other side still will not reply to these facts or offer any of their own...instead they'll just say "it's common sense" or "well why shouldn't we have voter ID," as though that was the same thing as actually refuting the points. Or worse yet, "people who don't have IDs are too stupid to vote." So really, I don't see the point in having this debate because no one will be swayed by the actual facts.

    Voter ID laws are an unconscionable attack on our democracy itself, and anyone who supports these laws after knowing the facts should be ASHAMED of themselves. No short-term political gain is worth the cost to our democracy's credibility.
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    The purge was deliberate and should have been. It took over 175,000 people off the list that should have been removed. It also caught around 2000 people that shouldn't have been. That part was a mistake. Those people have been re-added. Are you honestly arguing that we should let 175,000 people who are ineligible to vote do so for fear of catching less than 2% error rate?

    Seriously?
    How many of those 175,000 people were voting at all? I understand that almost all of them had moved, died, etc. and almost none were voting illegally. So the 2% error rate that affected actual voters impacted more real people that the actual number of illegal voters that were stopped from voting. Please use read data and make valid equates when there are engineers reading.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    ... No short-term political gain is worth the cost to our democracy's credibility.
    It depends on who you are.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    ID should be required to vote IMHO. However, in some very rare cases I understand some eligible voters might not have a typical ID, a drivers license. Coincidentally I was speaking with my county Supervisor of Elections on this very matter recently. Here's what we require in my county.

    Drivers license
    State issued ID. Looks like a drivers license, issued by the DMV but is cheaper.
    Student ID
    Military ID
    Passport
    Visa Card
    MasterCard
    American Express Card
    Discover Card
    Any major department store credit card
    Home Owners Association ID
    Senior citizens community center ID
    Government assistance ID card

    If you have one of those that has BOTH your signature and photograph, you can vote. Alternately, if you have have two if one has your signature and the other has your photograph. You can also vote by mail with no ID provided you signature matches the signature on file at the elections office. The country buys the postage stamp both ways.
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Requiring voter ID is simply repression of a constitutional right that has been brought into the election process by the right for the purposes of control within a timeframe that will make difficult for everyone to get an ID before the election.

    It's cheating.
    According to SCOTUS there is no constitutional right to vote. That said since the effort has been going on since 2000, with varied success, there is no effort to institute it prior to this election. Even if a law were to pass a state tomorrow, it would still have to go through the pre-clearence process as per the Voting Rights Act. Therefore any current effort would affect, at the earliest the 2014 mid-term election. I think 2 years is plenty of time to get an ID for the 2014 election.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The Republicans tried a photo ID law here in 2007 (IIRC) and the State Supreme Court shot it down. How much thought do you suppose went into a law that gets shot down inside of 6 months? Obviously there was some zeal in getting it passed. They tried a second time in 2009 but it didn't pass because of a study done by our State Secretary about the number of people that would get left out. Considering our budget problems they're still working on that issue. In the end we'll likely end up with free State ID cards, which currently cost $30 for six years, but that amounts to ~$10M, which is a lot of money right now.
    Define "here" Because it's not the US as a whole since there are several states that have the ID law. I also have to wonder about your claim as Indiana passed a law in 2005 that was challenged and didn't make it to the Supreme Court until 2008. I have to wonder how your law managed to bypass so much of the system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    I cant vote because there inst enough background

    Id support voter ID IF:
    all current IDs are acceptable Drivers license, BC, Gun Permit, SS Card, military ID, passport etc
    and after all those if there was a voter ID card available that was quick, easy, free and very easily accessible.
    and then even if a person couldnt get access to something if when they go to vote all they have to do is verify some personal info and sign they voted and that would still be good enough.
    What is a BC as far as an ID? I'm not placing it at the moment. Also SS card says right on it not valid as an ID. Not sure of exact wording so I didn't quote it, but it says that none the less.

    ALSO since this stuff is going on right now, another reason I would currently be against it is because of the timing of its implementation? if the criteria above isnt met already then I think its wrong. Start it AFTER this election so it can hit the ground running.
    They've already been passing these laws since 2000. This is nothing new. It just gets a new surge every two year and a really big surge every 4. Plus any new law has to go through the pre-clearence as I noted before.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    What is a BC as far as an ID? I'm not placing it at the moment. Also SS card says right on it not valid as an ID. Not sure of exact wording so I didn't quote it, but it says that none the less.
    BC is birth certificate and my SS card does not say that, not to mention people still use it as a form in PA at least every employer makes me bring it for copies along with my DL.

    my card says:
    This card belongs to the SS S and you must return it if we ask for it

    Improper use is pinishble by fine and or impresionment

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    regardless though I would be fine with it being used lol its meaningless to my point



    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    They've already been passing these laws since 2000. This is nothing new. It just gets a new surge every two year and a really big surge every 4. Plus any new law has to go through the per-clearence as I noted before.
    nobody said its a new idea what I actually did say if its not easy and in place in a timely fashion im not for it, like starting it NOW and enforcing it for this election. SO again what you said or may have said in the past doesnt change my stance.

    Im not sure what you are trying to state, agree with or argue against because nothing had an impact. WHat am I missing?
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Define "here" Because it's not the US as a whole since there are several states that have the ID law. I also have to wonder about your claim as Indiana passed a law in 2005 that was challenged and didn't make it to the Supreme Court until 2008. I have to wonder how your law managed to bypass so much of the system.
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