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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Gosh if only there was something we could put on an SS card for children... like some kind of "imprint"... of a piece of their hand, or something... that would allow them to get picture-versions when they became older, but still with that fundamental nigh-impossible-to-commit-fraud-with-mark.....

    like a imprint of something unique, that could only be you... like i don't know, a palm or a thumb or something. we could call it a "printofathumb"...
    Thumbprints are hideously insecure when used for such a purpose. All you need to fake them is a copy of your thumbprint and a modified printer and some jello. Not only do you leave your thumbprint on everything you touch, but there also would be a million copies of it stored on a every computer used to validate them. Thumbprint scanning is also not terribly accurate, meaning with a 300 million person sample you will have huge amounts of false positives and errors. There are also massive privacy implications with requiring every person to but their biometric data in a government database from birth.

    Real security requires public key cryptography and smart cards.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    But, your existing driver's license would count as voter ID, so what extra ID would you need to get and dig through?

    And, voter IDs are being provided for free to people who say they can't afford an ID. Should the gubment also bring the voting booth to their homes so that they don't have to be bothered to go anywhere to vote?
    When did the rules on Voter ID equate to the rules for a drivers license? This thread is about a Voter ID specifically. Note that I can get a driver’s license in two states; not legal, but easy. If I only use one for voting where my winter home is I’ll never be caught.
    Then there is an absentee ballot so you don’t have to leave your home to vote. So that’s the voter booth you are talking about. Right?
    Personally I think a drivers license is more than adaquate ID to vote. Just having my name on a list is sufficient.
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    The point you guys seem to miss here, Why in the hell would someone risk fines and jailtime just to vote more than once? It doesn't happen people.
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Very, very good. printofathumb

    In my eara, you didn't get an SS card until you needed one (like your first job). Now, they are issued immediately, is that correct?

    I suppose that the ones who don't have ID lost it so they'll lose their social security card as well. Then they won't have ID to get ID.

    Sometimes, you just can't defeat stupid.



    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Gosh if only there was something we could put on an SS card for children... like some kind of "imprint"... of a piece of their hand, or something... that would allow them to get picture-versions when they became older, but still with that fundamental nigh-impossible-to-commit-fraud-with-mark.....

    like a imprint of something unique, that could only be you... like i don't know, a palm or a thumb or something. we could call it a "printofathumb"...








    Look, you already have to register. Simply do away with same-day registry and make ID-check and/or issuance part of the registration process. Oh Mrs Smith, you do not have a picture ID, but you are here to register with your birth certificate and SS card? Could you step in front of the camera here, please, and press your thumb on this pad? Thank you, that will be 10 minutes and your card will be ready.... NEXT!
    Last edited by specklebang; 09-01-12 at 01:39 PM.

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Isn't that the same line they use for drug laws, that if it stops one person from using drugs it's worth it? Funny how the same logic from the other side is suddenly bogus.
    I'm not against drug laws though, personally I don't think they go nearly far enough. Your point?
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    A mistake and... oh wait, it was caught and corrected! They were not purposely stopping specific people or groups of people from voting.

    Try again.
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    A mistake and... oh wait, it was caught and corrected! They were not purposely stopping specific people or groups of people from voting.

    Try again.
    Mistake? I don't buy that for one second. There were multiple representatives from Florida that sent Scott letters demanding that he stop purging voters from the registry, and he continued. Doesn't sound like an accident to me, sounds pretty deliberate.

    Oh wait, then there's the whole 2000 election thing, down in Florida. Oh yeah, seems Florida republicans have a thing with "suppressing" the vote.
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    Mistake? I don't buy that for one second. There were multiple representatives from Florida that sent Scott letters demanding that he stop purging voters from the registry, and he continued. Doesn't sound like an accident to me, sounds pretty deliberate.
    The purge was deliberate and should have been. It took over 175,000 people off the list that should have been removed. It also caught around 2000 people that shouldn't have been. That part was a mistake. Those people have been re-added. Are you honestly arguing that we should let 175,000 people who are ineligible to vote do so for fear of catching less than 2% error rate?

    Seriously?
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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by OnWisconsin View Post
    The point you guys seem to miss here, Why in the hell would someone risk fines and jailtime just to vote more than once? It doesn't happen people.
    4 charged in Sunland Park election fraud investigation - El Paso Times

    Josť Manuel Ramirez, 49, and his daughter, Elizabeth Ramirez, 27, both of El Paso, are accused of fraudulently registering to vote in New Mexico, according to court documents.

    Perhaps you should ask these people why they took the risk?

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    Re: Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm not against drug laws though, personally I don't think they go nearly far enough. Your point?
    The same people (as a rule) who would tell you that any law that stops at least one person from using drugs is a good thing will then use the opposite logic and say that any law that stops at least one person from fraudulently voting is a bad thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    When did the rules on Voter ID equate to the rules for a drivers license? This thread is about a Voter ID specifically. Note that I can get a driver’s license in two states; not legal, but easy. If I only use one for voting where my winter home is I’ll never be caught.
    Then there is an absentee ballot so you don’t have to leave your home to vote. So that’s the voter booth you are talking about. Right?
    Personally I think a drivers license is more than adaquate ID to vote. Just having my name on a list is sufficient.
    The thread is on ID'ing voters not on a specific separate ID for voting. That's why people keep bringing up all the various Photo ID's that are out there that would be sufficient for use. As to the absentee ballot, a sufficient voting ID system would have to include comparing absentee ballots with a list of those registered voters who showed up to vote.

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