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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    First on the "flip-flops": You have shown hit pieces from biased sources comparing what the black haired young Romney says to what the grey haired current Romney says. Much of what he says is the natural progression of a position as one ages.

    In my personnal understanding of the Abortion issue, as an example, I cannot get away from the fact that a life in the womb is a life and therefore a person. When younger, that meant I could not support abortion. Being older now, I realize that I am not personally willing to take care of any unwanted child. As a result, my position, politically and socially has changed to the one endorsed by our case law. I feel it's not a morally supportable position, but it's what I am willing to support.

    Is that a "flip-flop"? Maybe so. My actual feeling on the sanctity of life is unchanged, but the political and social outcome of my inner debate leaves me on the other side of the issue.

    Why do I support Romney? First and foremost, because Obama has produced the worst results in the history of the office. He is a complete and utter failure in this position. He has single handedly stopped the economy and is dogmatically sticking to an agenda of failed ideas and bad policies. His administration is one that routinely breaks laws to enforce political agenda and he uses the power of the government to intimidate and harass private citizens. That is only why I oppose Obama.

    Romney has produced an unbroken record of accomplishment in all of his endeavors. He is obviously a talented businessman and is obviously a gifted administrator and executive. In all of the attack ads from the opposition, and there have been plenty, they twist facts into fiction and try to produce a picture of a monster, but they all fall flat because the guy is a good and principled man who is looking to get the best for those that he cares for.

    He cares very deeply for Americans and America. He has no grand dreams of driving back the Seas like King Knute and the Big 0. His dream is that this generation pays its debts and the next generation gets a better future.

    That is what a government leader is supposed to do. Take as little money as is needed to do the job, then do the job well and allow his people to be the best they can be.
    And as I said, some were taken out of context. Yes some of them were Romney when he was younger... but they were complete 180 degree flips. It's just too much for me, personally. Romney did great a job at Bain. However, I am not impressed at all by him as governor. I am also skeptical that he will be able to help pay off the debt. Hopefully I am completely wrong and he gains presidency and is magically the best ever. Feel free in four years to dig my "poorly" comment up and rub in my face how good Romney is.

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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    What do you think?
    He will probably defer to Ryan on what he should do.

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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    Quote Originally Posted by code1211 View Post
    Not by what I'm seeing.
    Well, considering that you keep asking for sources on Romney's position of going to war with Iran without congressional approval despite a video of Romney stating outright he wants to go to war with Iran without congressional approval, I'm supposing that this and the other things you see is highly in doubt.
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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Well, considering that you keep asking for sources on Romney's position of going to war with Iran without congressional approval despite a video of Romney stating outright he wants to go to war with Iran without congressional approval, I'm supposing that this and the other things you see is highly in doubt.
    I've been watching your back-and-forth with code1211 and I must say that, in my opinion, you have not proved your statement that Romney wants to go to war with Iran. As code1211 said, the video you posted as proof doesn't provide the support you say it does. Nowhere in that video did Romney say he wants to go to war.

    So...in the interest of moving your discussion along, can you provide any OTHER proof? Any other, more definitive quotes. Anything that actually supports your claim?

    Or are you content with saying, "That's my story and I'm sticking to it"?
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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I've been watching your back-and-forth with code1211 and I must say that, in my opinion, you have not proved your statement that Romney wants to go to war with Iran. As code1211 said, the video you posted as proof doesn't provide the support you say it does. Nowhere in that video did Romney say he wants to go to war.

    So...in the interest of moving your discussion along, can you provide any OTHER proof? Any other, more definitive quotes. Anything that actually supports your claim?

    Or are you content with saying, "That's my story and I'm sticking to it"?
    I do. And, again, they come from Romney himself.

    Romney on Iran

    Well, let’s — let’s start back from there and let’s talk about where we are. This is, of course, President Obama’s greatest failing, from a foreign policy standpoint, which is he recognized the gravest threat that America and the world faced as — and faced was a nuclear Iran and he did not do what was necessary to get Iran to be dissuaded from their nuclear folly. What he should have done is speak out when dissidents took to the streets and say America is with you and work on a covert basis to encourage the dissidents. Number two, he should have put — put in place crippling sanctions against Iran. But instead of getting Russia, for instance, to when — when he gave in our — our missile defense system, to agree to — to stand with those crippling sanctions, he gave Russia what they wanted, their number one foreign policy objective, and got nothing in return...

    ... Finally, the president should have built a credible threat of military action and made it very clear that the United States of America is willing, in the final analysis, if necessary, to take military action to keep Iran from having a nuclear weapon. Look, one thing you can know and that is if we reelect Barack Obama, Iran will have a nuclear weapon. And if we elect Mitt Romney, if you elect me as the next president, they will not have a nuclear weapon...

    ... Well, it’s worth putting in place crippling sanctions. It’s worth working with the insurgents in the country to encourage regime change in the country. And if all else fails, if after all of the work we’ve done, there’s nothing else we could do besides mil — take military action, then of course you take military action. It is unacceptable for Iran to have a nuclear weapon. We will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. This term unacceptable has been applied by several presidents over history. And our current president has made it very clear that he’s not willing to do those things necessary to get Iran to be dissuaded from their nuclear folly. I will take a different course. I will make sure that the sanctions, diplomatic pressure, economic pressure and support of insurgents within the country help them become dissuaded to get away from their nuclear ambition.
    Iran

    U.S. policy toward Iran must begin with an understanding on Iran’s part that a military option to deal with their nuclear program remains on the table. This message should not only be delivered through words, but through actions. The United States should restore the regular presence of aircraft carrier task forces in both the Eastern Mediterranean and the Persian Gulf region simultaneously. The United States should repair relations with Israel, increase military coordination and assistance, and enhance intelligence sharing to ensure that our allied capabilities are robust and ready to deal with Iran. The United States should also increase military coordination with our Arab allies in the region and conduct more naval exercises as a demonstration of strength and resolve. Only if Iran understands that the United States is utterly determined when we say that their nuclear-weapons program is unacceptable is there a possibility that they will give up their nuclear aspirations peacefully.
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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    Can you point out the part where Romney says "I want to go to war with Iran"? I don't see it.

    In fact, what I see is this: "And if all else fails, if after all of the work we’ve done, there’s nothing else we could do besides mil — take military action, then of course you take military action." That doesn't sound like someone saying they WANT to go to war...rather someone making it clear that we WILL go to war if necessary. Big difference there, don't you think?

    I forgot to quote your post, samsmart...sorry.
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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    I think Romney would govern better than Obaminous ... but we don't know yet.

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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    Many will vote for Romney because he does want to stop Iran.

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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    Many will vote for Romney because he does want to stop Iran.
    Most of the foreign policy apparatus want to stop Iran from having a nuclear weapon. The disagreement is centered on the means and confidence of the outcomes from the various options presented.
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    Re: How Would Romney Govern?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Can you point out the part where Romney says "I want to go to war with Iran"? I don't see it.

    In fact, what I see is this: "And if all else fails, if after all of the work we’ve done, there’s nothing else we could do besides mil — take military action, then of course you take military action." That doesn't sound like someone saying they WANT to go to war...rather someone making it clear that we WILL go to war if necessary. Big difference there, don't you think?
    Except you have to keep in mind who Romney's policy advisers are.

    Romney Wants War in Iran | Veterans News Now

    Today, Cohen is among Republican presidential front-runner Mitt Romney’s top campaign advisers. He is the primary author of Romney’s foreign policy white paper, which attacks Obama for “currying favor with [America’s] enemies” and “ostentatiously shunning Jerusalem.”

    The paper urges a policy of regime change in Iran including possible coordination with Israel on military strikes to prevent the Iranian regime from developing a nuclear weapon. It is an aggressive Republican election season document presenting a concoction of post-9/11 unilateralism and unvarnished neo-imperialism as the antidote to a sitting president Cohen accused of “unilateral disarmament in the diplomatic and moral sphere.” More importantly, it suggests that a Romney administration’s foreign policy might look remarkably similar to – and perhaps more extreme than – that of the Bush administration.
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