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Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nukes?

  • yes

    Votes: 9 18.8%

  • no

    Votes: 39 81.3%
  • Total voters
    48
  • Poll closed .
johnny_rebson said:
Then how are we supposed to get our oil?
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Are you really aware of where our oil comes?
Percentages from 2007 http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/research/crude-oil/where-the-us-gets-its-oil-from/
From 2012 Where Does America Get Oil? You May Be Surprised : NPR
Canada is by far the largest importer of oil to the US, almost double what Saudi Arrabia inports.
Wow, only 12.9% from the entire Persian gulf region. As you can see from the links, it dropped from 16% in 2007. It was also pretty low back when we were "fighting wars for oil" and after. In fact, oil from the Persian gulf has been below 20% of our oil for a very longtime now. If we were fighting the wars for oil, Venesuela is a hell of a lot closer, still run by an evil bastard and would of gotten us more for our money.

Also take a close look, our domestic share of our own oil market has dropped 3.2% since Obama took office. Imports have been decreasing in total volume also. (U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports) you will notice that from 2006 to 2008 (data from that site available for Bush Era and pre-economic crash) our imports fell by 276,088 thousand barrels or 138,044 thousand barrels per year average, under Obama, the 4 year drop has been 580,728 thousand barrels. or 145,182 thousand barrels per year average. So, after the economic crash, with a stagnant economy, the Obama administration only has reduced our dependence by 7,138 thousand barrels per year. Way to go Obama, hell, just the economic collapse could account for that much change.

Persian gulf oil simply is not that big of a deal for the US. We could fairly easily make up that 13% from elsewhere. Hell, if the russians would actually let our companies go in and drill (they are blocking it to protect domestic drilling operations), we could tell the whole persian golf area to piss off as far as oil is concerned. Of course, if the Obama administration would actually (in deed not word) reopen the American Gulf Coast, we could make a huge dent in that percentage ourselves.
 
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The Iraq War, part 2 was the biggest scam ever pulled on America. It made no sense. But certain people made 100s of billions of dollars. Friends of contributor's kids were sent to "manage" the various Iraqi Ministries. So, yeah, the WMD thing was just wishful thinking and a path toward a big, fat, profitable war where America couldn't possibly lose. Iraqi's were happy to see us. We killed a bad man. A multi-trillion dollar adventure.

Iran is different. They may be cuckoo but they also have a lot of intelligent scientists and engineers. They make cars. They're a real country in spite of the religious madness.

It seems like the Israeli's want to do this. They are just as capable as we are. They have one of the best Air Forces in the world. So, this seems real good except for the backlash.

IF we are SURE they are building a nuke, unchain Israel. If not sure, we better give this more thought. Wars are good for MIC business but they're tough on us ordinary folk. I see more and more disabled soldiers who look as sad and crazed as those who were in Vietnam. Another disabled generation. It's easy to enter a war. It's not so easy for all this promise to die or be injured.



Cephus said:
Come on, we claimed to know exactly where Saddam's weapons of mass destruction were too! We know everything!

Even if it isn't real.
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Mya said:
Yes sharon, but we are talking Iran here , a different kind of beast.
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Apparently, not to some people. Then again, arguing against a nuclear weapons policy of "no one or everyone" is ridiculous in the first place.
 
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We should give Syria and Somalia nukes; right, sharon? How ludicrous.
 
Mya said:
with all respect .... rubbish!
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Friedman, a 3 time Pulitzer Prize winner, vs an anonymous poster on an online political forum, with all respect.
 
specklebang said:
The Iraq War, part 2 was the biggest scam ever pulled on America. It made no sense. But certain people made 100s of billions of dollars. Friends of contributor's kids were sent to "manage" the various Iraqi Ministries. So, yeah, the WMD thing was just wishful thinking and a path toward a big, fat, profitable war where America couldn't possibly lose. Iraqi's were happy to see us. We killed a bad man. A multi-trillion dollar adventure.

Iran is different. They may be cuckoo but they also have a lot of intelligent scientists and engineers. They make cars. They're a real country in spite of the religious madness.

It seems like the Israeli's want to do this. They are just as capable as we are. They have one of the best Air Forces in the world. So, this seems real good except for the backlash.

IF we are SURE they are building a nuke, unchain Israel. If not sure, we better give this more thought. Wars are good for MIC business but they're tough on us ordinary folk. I see more and more disabled soldiers who look as sad and crazed as those who were in Vietnam. Another disabled generation. It's easy to enter a war. It's not so easy for all this promise to die or be injured.
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Sure, ok. After Israel does that and piss off the entire Arab/Muslim world and they retaliate, then we would have an excellent reasont to wipe all of them out instead of only one of them. Cool, I didn't realize you were capable of such ruthlessness. I like it.
 
I did say there would be backlash.

Otherwise, if you have followed this thread all the way through, I'm advocating kissing their ass in a desperate effort to call all this off. However, if it's down to that, yes, let the Israelis go instead. If the Arabs thought they could kick Israels ass, they would already have tried. They can't. The Israelis have the warfare thing down too good.

So, I prefer peace but if not, then minimally invasive surgery.

Ruthlessly yours,
Specklebang Of Swords
:peace






DVSentinel said:
Sure, ok. After Israel does that and piss off the entire Arab/Muslim world and they retaliate, then we would have an excellent reasont to wipe all of them out instead of only one of them. Cool, I didn't realize you were capable of such ruthlessness. I like it.
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Catawba said:
Friedman, a 3 time Pulitzer Prize winner, vs an anonymous poster on an online political forum, with all respect.
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Who cares if he is a 10th time Pulitzer winner.

He is not threaten daily by Iran.

He should go back to writing books, not being a military analyst.
 
ChrisL said:
Obviously some people don't understand how our government works.
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Or how it's SUPPOSED to work... it seems they've been ever increasingly bypassing checks and balances and nobody seems to worry about it and in turn, noone is held accountable. I'm not sure I like the way it's going.
 
johnny_rebson said:
Umm, some of those dictators are good dictators who support US interests.
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Funny thing is, the U.S. has a long history of putting dictators into power because they play our puppets and when they decide they don't need us anymore, we have to go in an militarily throw them out. You'd think we'd learn our lesson but we just keep on doing it.
 
Gardener said:
I think you are allowed to say that he is a whole lot smarter and more consistent than you.
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Which, of course, simply isn't true. But you keep being deluded if it makes you happy.
 
specklebang said:
IF we are SURE they are building a nuke, unchain Israel. If not sure, we better give this more thought. Wars are good for MIC business but they're tough on us ordinary folk. I see more and more disabled soldiers who look as sad and crazed as those who were in Vietnam. Another disabled generation. It's easy to enter a war. It's not so easy for all this promise to die or be injured.
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Israel doesn't listen to us now, we don't have to unchain them, we don't have them chained now. The second they think they can get away with something, they'll do it in a heartbeat.
 
specklebang said:
I did say there would be backlash.

Otherwise, if you have followed this thread all the way through, I'm advocating kissing their ass in a desperate effort to call all this off. However, if it's down to that, yes, let the Israelis go instead. If the Arabs thought they could kick Israels ass, they would already have tried. They can't. The Israelis have the warfare thing down too good.

So, I prefer peace but if not, then minimally invasive surgery.

Ruthlessly yours,
Specklebang Of Swords
:peace
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Everyone prefers peace (ok, maybe there are a few sociopathic idiots that don't), but peace on their terms. And in the US, we want peace, we just disagree on how to achieve it.

Btw, the Arabs/Muslims did try it, 1967, got their butts handed to them when Israel figured out no amount of talking was going to stop it and instead launched a surprise offensive. As a result, Israel unified Jerusalem, and took control of the Sinai Peninsula, Golan Heights, West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Except for Jerusalem, Israel has been obligated to return those areas in return for peace with it's neighbors. Funny, Israel's only real requirement is to be recognised by the people there and have peace with them, in over 40 years of occupation, the Palestinians haven't been able to do that. Israel gave a limited self-government, the Palestinians elected former Terrorist, when they didn't attack Israel and want to recognise it and have peace, the Palestinians then elected a more extremist faction that still tries to carry out attacks against Israel, including a very large number of rockets shot at Israeli civilian targets.

Iran, Iraq, Syria and other countries have been supporting the PLO and other terrorist organizations constantly attacking Israel throughout it's history. One of the big issues about the whole Iran Nuclear thing is the fact they have sworn to destroy Israel and some believe it because of the continuous sponsorship of terrorist and attacks against Israel. I do believe they will attack someone, just not for sure who. Israel, the US or Sunni Muslim countries. Iran has been the largest supporter of insurgents in Iraq (not Al Queda as some want us to believe, Iran and Al Queda actually hate each other, the whole Shia-Sunni thing again), Syria was the other large supporter. During the whole Iraq debacle, Sunni's and Shi'ites actually seemed more interested in killing each other than Americans and generally only went after Americans when we tried to stop them killing each other or were otherwise in the way. Iran is a serious threat to Afghanistan, not in Afghan, but to. They don't support the Taliban or Al Queda and if we pull out, Iran is a prime suspect of who will gain control there, them or the Taliban. Sucks either way for us.
 
So, the results of the poll speak out loud. :) It's a democracy. :) Period.
 
Canell said:
So, the results of the poll speak out loud. :) It's a democracy. :) Period.
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Maybe I am being a bit ungracious here, but I really don't think a poll on DP is going to affect the decisions of those in place to make them on this subject.
 
of course ,you are the owner of this universe ,you can bomb every nation.....only America has the right to have nukes.
 
DVSentinel said:
Maybe I am being a bit ungracious here, but I really don't think a poll on DP is going to affect the decisions of those in place to make them on this subject.
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Vox populi, vox Dei.
If it's not, too bad for democracy.
 
If we find information that Iran is developing nuclear weapons then yes we should bomb them. It would be better to strategically bomb installations in Iran, Then to let a country (whose leaders have expressed a stated goal of wiping another country off the map) Obtain that means by which to do so.
 
Medusa said:
of course ,you are the owner of this universe ,you can bomb every nation.....only America has the right to have nukes.
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First of all America is not the only one with the bomb. I say let them have the nuclear bomb, and after Iran and Israel use them against each other the area will be devastated. This can only be a good thing for us here in America. The pesky problem of the people in the Middle East will be solved now that they are all irradiated. The Oil Supply for the world would come from north and South America (more money for us). We also could take over whatever we want to go over there under the guise of it being a humanitarian mission. Let’s not be stingy now; share the nukes.
 
comedy4all said:
If we find information that Iran is developing nuclear weapons then yes we should bomb them. It would be better to strategically bomb installations in Iran, Then to let a country (whose leaders have expressed a stated goal of wiping another country off the map) Obtain that means by which to do so.
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What do you think the response would be if Iran nuked Israel?

Do you think Iran knows it would be complete suicide to do such a thing?

Do you think Iran is willing to accept complete and total suicide by starting a nuclear war?

Iran would lose any and all support from Russia and China.

However - if we strike first...........
 
Medusa said:
of course ,you are the owner of this universe ,you can bomb every nation.....only America has the right to have nukes.
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That is not so. Here is a story and a graphic of the various arsenals around the world.

The world’s nuclear missiles

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Click on link to get the enlarged image.

World’s nuclear arsenal graphic | News | National Post
 
Catawba said:
Friedman, a 3 time Pulitzer Prize winner, vs an anonymous poster on an online political forum, with all respect.
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Obviously people do listen to this man's opinion. However, his opinion or analysis does not render my view worthless.

The US should go in there kick some ass, take some names and go through these underground nuclear facilities and determine once and for all what they are doing down there. Enough talk, enough delays. If Iran is developing nuclear weapons take capability away from them.

BTW your expert can come along and garner information for his next book...:)
 
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