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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Welfare is a part of any mixed economy. Stating that it's socialist over and over again doesn't make it socialist. And you're blaming crime and overcrowded prisons on welfare? That's crazy. These "welfare neighborhoods" are places of POVERTY. If you want to blame anything, blame POVERTY for crime and overcrowded prison populations.

    When you get old, don't collect any Social Security or any government assistance.
    Actually I won't really ever collect Social Security. Since I have a government retirement, it is reduced by the amount that Social Security pays. To them it looks like I am getting paid it, to me it is transparent.

    And yes, I am saying that welfare is part of the cause. Normal human behavior (in modern society) is to work at a job get paid to support yourself. Welfare allows people to not work, but still get paid to support themselves. In any society were you allow people receive pay without labor but require labor for others to earn their pay, the system will eventually fail, always. The correct and proper way would be for people who need government assistance, welfare, to have to also perform some labor to receive it. Otherwise, in system like ours, you start teaching people that they do not have to perform labor but can get paid anyways, a number of them will choose to perform no labor at all. As taxes and other factors needed to support those not performing labor increase, the number needing assistance will increase and eventually you run out of money for the system. Also, your bottom tier, undesirable labor will start having shortages being filled. This is evident today in some jobs already. Further, the children raised by parents who do not work but get paid by the government only learn to depend on the government and never learn good job habits, then they end up on the system themselves. It is not uncommon today to find families who are now on their 3-4th generation that has been on welfare. To make matters worse, we not only do not require labor to receive pay, but we increase pay if they have children. There are many, many welfare children who were born only so their mothers could get a larger check. These children are generally raised without discipline, without love and their parents don't care about their education or training. These are also the children that cause major disruptions in the education system. While Poverty does in general raise crime rates, we have a disproportionate amount of crime compared to our poverty. When you combine poverty with the lack of parental guidance and poor examples of fitting into society, then we get the gangs and the major crime problems we see in our inner cities. There are impoverished nations throughout the world that do not have our level of crime, gang violence and teen pregnancy rates. They also do not have our welfare system.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Paragraphs are our friend and make a post readable.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Paragraphs are our friend and make a post readable.
    I max scored most everything on the achievement tests except for English. Pretty much a genius except that category, then the guy in the corner drooling on himself probably scored higher. Never really learned good grammar and never really cared enough to.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    I max scored most everything on the achievement tests except for English. Pretty much a genius except that category, then the guy in the corner drooling on himself probably scored higher. Never really learned good grammar and never really cared enough to.
    I am not criticizing your grammar.. just make paragraphs.. If you are going to the time and trouble to think this thru and write... make it readable.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That is how Bin Laden predicted the US would be defeated:

    "In 2004, Bin Laden released a tape to Al-Jazeera where the former head of Al Qaeda laid out the purpose of the 9/11 attacks, and the organization’s goals. “We are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah willing, and nothing is too great for Allah,” Bin Laden said."

    Even in Death, Did Osama Bin Laden Win? - Forbes
    When observing the decline and fall of a nation, it is more revealing to find out what is not talked about, because the opinions publicly expressed should have led to solutions, not decline and fall. As America slowly spirals into chaos and impotence, no one with a professional public forum is immune from the decadent thinking enough to point out that the jihadist economic destruction has been entirely from OPEC, which has drained trillions of dollars out of our economy by colluding to impose a price for oil that is a hundred times what it is worth. Our continual cowardice in not treating the growing and vicious threat from OPEC as an enemy attack that must be answered by total victory has eaten away at our drive to reverse our collapsing national condition.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    When observing the decline and fall of a nation, it is more revealing to find out what is not talked about, because the opinions publicly expressed should have led to solutions, not decline and fall. As America slowly spirals into chaos and impotence, no one with a professional public forum is immune from the decadent thinking enough to point out that the jihadist economic destruction has been entirely from OPEC, which has drained trillions of dollars out of our economy by colluding to impose a price for oil that is a hundred times what it is worth. Our continual cowardice in not treating the growing and vicious threat from OPEC as an enemy attack that must be answered by total victory has eaten away at our drive to reverse our collapsing national condition.
    OPEC? Are you kidding me?

    OPEC's mission is to keep the price in check and the supply stable.

    Texas and North Sea crude are always higher.

    The only reason that domestic production is strong is because the ppb remains high..

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Okay, what would be your solution in today's world, at this point in time? Iran, Afghanistan, most of Africa, North Korea, Venezuela, Russia, China, some places in South America, the list goes on and on. If you think that we can simply just go to one country, fix it up, and move on to the next, that's not reality.
    The American Global Nanny, neglecting her own kids in order to tend to the world's whining brats.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    OPEC? Are you kidding me?

    OPEC's mission is to keep the price in check and the supply stable.

    Texas and North Sea crude are always higher.

    The only reason that domestic production is strong is because the ppb remains high..
    Workers in Texas and the North Sea get paid a hell of a lot more also. Not to mention, at least for Texas, all the government regulation. Texas geared up to hit the drilling, then Obama took office, now almost all of that pipe and equipment is lying around rusting.

    While that may indeed have been OPECs original mission, price fixing is it's bread and butter now.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Workers in Texas and the North Sea get paid a hell of a lot more also. Not to mention, at least for Texas, all the government regulation. Texas geared up to hit the drilling, then Obama took office, now almost all of that pipe and equipment is lying around rusting.

    While that may indeed have been OPECs original mission, price fixing is it's bread and butter now.
    If the ppb weren't high.. they wouldn't be a 20 % increase in rigs ... and there would be NO investment in exploration and drilling.

    Its NOT altruism.. its business.

    Do you remember the boom and bust in Texas in 85-86?

    Papa Bush begged the Saudis to raise the ppb.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    When observing the decline and fall of a nation, it is more revealing to find out what is not talked about, because the opinions publicly expressed should have led to solutions, not decline and fall. As America slowly spirals into chaos and impotence, no one with a professional public forum is immune from the decadent thinking enough to point out that the jihadist economic destruction has been entirely from OPEC, which has drained trillions of dollars out of our economy by colluding to impose a price for oil that is a hundred times what it is worth. Our continual cowardice in not treating the growing and vicious threat from OPEC as an enemy attack that must be answered by total victory has eaten away at our drive to reverse our collapsing national condition.
    We really have no one to blame but ourselves. The EPA doesn't allow vehicles to maximize fuel efficiency, we way over use, we have less efficient more oil based distribution systems for our products moved around the country, many things.

    It all started after WWII. The Germans were defeated, in part, because they ran out of fuel. So our strategic planners decided that would be a bad thing for us if we ever got into it with the Russians. Instead, we would import our fuel and save our own for that emergency if it ever comes. Then in the 1970s, along comes the EPA and puts the smack down on the industry and the oil companies say, "hey, WTF over. Screw this, we can get it cheaper over there and not have to put up with this kind of crap." And bye, bye the went. To make sure we got oil as long as we could, we decided to make buddy buddy with those guys over in the Middle East and we could put some people over there to keep those Ruskies in place. Man did we ever make some really bad choices in the Cold War.

    So now we only produce about 38% of our own oil, although only around 13% actually comes from the Persian Gulf now. If we suddenly went to electric rail for cargo instead of diesel-electric we could shave off that 13% in no time. Oh, wait, we can't do that because the greenie-weenies won't let us build enough power plants to support it. They don't want coal, they don't want Nuclear and they have given us jack else for a viable option yet, but hey, burning all that oil isn't really all that bad for us.

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