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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Iraq no longer funds al-Qaida terrorists.
    Iraq was Baathist.. AQ follows Sayeed Qubt.

    Some blurb from ejits at the State Dept is not helpful.. But, the excuse for the protracted war in Iraq was to blame AQ.

    Remember.. they said the war would be over in weeks, we would be welcomed as liberators and would pay for the war with Iraqi oil.

    Guess nobody bothered to look at the British experience in Iraq and no one consulted with oil men. So... it was easy to shift the blame to AQ.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's one of the main differences between conservatives and liberals, conservatives place a higher priority on spending for world hegemony than they do for their fellow citizens.
    Hegemony can be accomplished in more than one way.. Didn't your grandaddy tell you there is more than one way to skin the cat?

    The British model failed.. The neocon model was grossly counterproductive... but IMO its not a artisan issue... Its an information issue.. if you are playing to win.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Iraq no longer funds al-Qaida terrorists.
    The CIA and the Pentagon determined there was no al Qaeda/Saddam link.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The CIA and the Pentagon determined there was no al Qaeda/Saddam link.
    Oh bravo.. Quick excuses for failed policies never hold up to serious scrutiny.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Not that I completely disagree with you, but do you think it would be a good idea to allow Iran to develop nuclear weapons?
    I think we should continue diplomatic efforts towards keep them from developing nuclear weapons, and that may mean negotiating with Israel to disarm their nukes and for us to live up to our end of the NPT.


    The do as I say, not as I do, approach has never been an effective negotiating position, with anyone.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    I voted no because there was no option for F no.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Luna Tick View Post
    I voted no because there was no option for F no.
    And if people thought Iraq was bad, Iran would make the Iraq War seem like it was nothing.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Oh bravo.. Quick excuses for failed policies never hold up to serious scrutiny.
    Yet it's absolutely true, there was never a single demonstrated link between Saddam's government and Al Qaeda. That didn't stop Bush from attempting to invent one, he asked his advisers to find a link between Saddam and bin Laden just days after the 9/11 attack, long before Iraq was even on the table. They couldn't find one, Bush wanted to go anyway.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    How exactly has the world benefited from killing Saddam and a ten year war in Iraq?
    Iraq now has re-entered the global world. It's people and it's resources are now again welcomed throughout the world. There is no longer a terrorist sponsoring regime that tortured, killed and used weapons of mass destruction against it's own people and was a threat to it's neighbors in charge of the country. Sodamned Insane, during his reign of terror sponsored, funded, trained and provide basing for PLO and other Palestinian terrorist which target Israel, it's civilians, not it's military. Organizations which also carried out attacks throughout Europe. Iraq is no longer a threat to commerce in the region and the world no longer has to expend resources to contain him.

    How exactly does taking out a terror sponsoring state, that at least previously had weapons of mass destruction, not a good thing for the world? Heck, if the dumb ass would of let the inspectors in and allowed them to do their jobs properly, Bush never would of been able to justify the invasion in the first place. Of course, had he simply not tried to murder his own people in large quantity and acted civilly in the first place, there would of been no sanctions, no no-fly zones and no subsequent invasion.

    Had we done the job properly and with a working plan, it would not have lead to 10 years of war. They got the invasion right, but Bush/Rumsfeld pretty much screwed the pooch afterwards. No good deed goes unpunished if don't follow through to the end.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    You see the spending on welfare and medicaid as more useless than spending money on a war overseas, against a country that didn't pose any grave threat to us? I think we should protect our own people first before we try and protect others.
    Welfare and other socialist like programs are a grave threat to our country. Look at what socialist like things have done to our economy. Jobs outsourced and companies abandoning our country. Medical cost and medical insurance has gone through the roof since the government started tinkering with it. Since Kennedy and his crowd first introduced modern Welfare and other socialist changes in the US and throughout all the changes after that, take a look at our economy, except for one fairly short period which was sustained by credit and doomed to failure, it has been constantly suppressed. Take a look at our crime rate and gang problems, centered mostly around welfare neighborhoods. Take a look at our soaring prison population since the start of welfare.

    The welfare state costs us more annually than the two wars in the mideast ever did and if we actually got two barrels of oil from Iraq, that is more than welfare has ever given back to our society.

    So how is spending money on the war less useless than spending on welfare, simple, the war actually helped someone, provided jobs and we got something back out of it, none of which can be said about welfare and the medicaid system which provides healthcare to welfare. Welfare and other socialistic institutions are a black hole sucking us dry and will eventually kill us if we don't start getting control of it.

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