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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    The United States doesn't have the greatest history of overthrowing governments and installing the governments it intends....
    Valid point. One would think that after the number of times we have tried it that we would create an agency/military unit that specializes in it and could keep track of lessons learned instead of the politicians trying to make it up again as they go. Maybe actually plan ahead.

    We are very good at kicking the tar out of someone else's military but we seem to get confuse on what to do after that. You know, taking front line combat troops and telling them to be cops on the street once we succeed against a military is probably not the brightest idea in the world. Different mind set, military mind set is pretty much, we are the good guys, they are the bad guys so kill the bad guys. Some people seem to discourage that kind of thinking in cops.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We just need democracy, freedom will soon follow.
    That's not a cakewalk.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    That's not a cakewalk.
    Who said world freedom and thus peace would be.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So you support the existence of Evil and what it does to others, as long as they are not Americans? How very humane of you.

    When is a war not optional? Only when you or other Americans are the victims?

    You seem to advocate that it is ok for others to kill innocent people, but we shouldn't stop them from doing so because we might kill innocent people to do it? If innocents are going to die either way, what do you suggest we use to value the lives of these innocents so that we know which ones we should allow to be killed? Where they were born?

    Is there some reason why you feel that because you were lucky enough to be born in America that your life, freedom and desires somehow are more valuable to the human race than someone born elsewhere?
    If we are going to intervene every time there is violence and destruction in the world, there will never be a time when we are not at war.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    If we are going to intervene every time there is violence and destruction in the world, there will never be a time when we are not at war.
    Exactly when in the history of the United States has it not been involved in a war of one type or another for even a single generation?

    Maybe if it actually does some good for people, it is not always a bad thing.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Exactly when in the history of the United States has it not been involved in a war of one type or another for even a single generation?

    Maybe if it actually does some good for people, it is not always a bad thing.
    A single generation does not equate "never a time". If we went to war every time there was violence in the world, there would not be a day we were not at war. Not only that, but we would be involved in countless wars all at once.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    A single generation does not equate "never a time". If we went to war every time there was violence in the world, there would not be a day we were not at war. Not only that, but we would be involved in countless wars all at once.
    So you are morally ok with us only doing it on certain occasions and not others? So, when should we help others? What is your discriminator that you use to choose which ones?

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So you support the existence of Evil and what it does to others, as long as they are not Americans? How very humane of you.
    No, I am opposed to evil, no matter which flag its done under. Some defend it, if its done under our own flag.

    When is a war not optional?
    I would go along with the Constitution and say when it is necessary for our defense.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    So you are morally ok with us only doing it on certain occasions and not others? So, when should we help others? What is your discriminator that you use to choose which ones?
    I'm saying even if we wanted to intervene every time there was violence, WE COULDN'T. We simply to not have the resources available to do that. And whenever we do intervene militarily, there is some other reason behind it. It is almost never strictly humanitarian reasons. If it were, Sudan and much of Africa would be look quite different by now....

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