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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    With that I agree.
    You have taken a quote from a third party expert who has proved you to be wrong. You changed the quote and attributted it to me. You have have violated an infinite number of rules regarding civilized and legitimate debate. What you have effectively done was cause me to lose any respect I had for you as a reliable and forthright poster. What you did was underhanded....

    Moreover, you lost your argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    "Iran: We Can Hit 35 US Bases in 'Minutes'"

    "Brig. Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Aerospace Force, told reporters the U.S. has 35 bases around Iran and all are "within the reach of our missiles" and could be hit "in the early minutes after an attack," according to an English-language report from Iran's semi-official Fars News Agency. The bases were no threat but instead an "opportunity" for the Iranian military, Hajizadeh said according to Fars "....



    Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps shot off missiles during a televised military drill. (PressTV)

    Iran: We Can Hit 35 US Bases in 'Minutes' - ABC News

    What you posted and how you changed the content of the post.

    Originally Posted by Connery
    The bases were no threat

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Very nice. We're all proud of you. Well, you left out animals but they'll forgive. Still, I'm asking about something else: wtf does the power of a country have to do with preemptive strikes being ethical or not?
    If a country is not a viable threat to us then we do not need to go to war with them. In the case of Iran, Iran is not a real threat to the security of the United States, right now.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    What you have effectively done was cause me to lose any respect I had for you as a reliable and forthright poster.
    Yeah, yeah, you've said that before. No love lost Connery, I have no respect for those that promote optional wars that result in the deaths of innocent civilians without an actual military threat to the US.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The little guy could be an industrial rapist, town gassing, food selling, woman owning, gay killing genocidal dictator, but as long as he doesn't get a bigger piece of the pie then we should leave him alone?
    Apparently some do feel that way. But since I was in skies over Iraq helping kick the bastards ass, I'm pretty sure that would translate as me not being one of them.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    If a country is not a viable threat to us then we do not need to go to war with them.
    The US should intervene when human rights can be installed, especially where resources for rapid development are present and Asian Tiger development can be expected if representation sticks. That will include even environmental rights as those directly affected by degradation are given a voice in its authority.

    In the case of Iran, Iran is not a real threat to the security of the United States, right now.
    Every slaver is a threat to the US. We just need to be sustainable about liberalization. In like 20 years, I bet Iraq is kicking ass (instead of being a hellhole).

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Apparently some do feel that way. But since I was in skies over Iraq helping kick the bastards ass, I'm pretty sure that would translate as me not being one of them.
    I volunteered 11x(a) during Gulf 1. No worries, I walked it. I didn't see combat, but what could I do; I made it to my unit as quick as I could. If there had been a fight, I'd have been with the first replacements, racing to the front.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Every slaver is a threat to the US. We just need to be sustainable about liberalization. In like 20 years, I bet Iraq is kicking ass (instead of being a hellhole).
    The United States doesn't have the greatest history of overthrowing governments and installing the governments it intends....

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    The United States doesn't have the greatest history of overthrowing governments and installing the governments it intends....
    We just need democracy, freedom will soon follow.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yeah, yeah, you've said that before. No love lost Connery, I have no respect for those that promote optional wars that result in the deaths of innocent civilians without an actual military threat to the US.
    So you support the existence of Evil and what it does to others, as long as they are not Americans? How very humane of you.

    When is a war not optional? Only when you or other Americans are the victims?

    You seem to advocate that it is ok for others to kill innocent people, but we shouldn't stop them from doing so because we might kill innocent people to do it? If innocents are going to die either way, what do you suggest we use to value the lives of these innocents so that we know which ones we should allow to be killed? Where they were born?

    Is there some reason why you feel that because you were lucky enough to be born in America that your life, freedom and desires somehow are more valuable to the human race than someone born elsewhere?
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by EdWagemann View Post
    Goshin, there are less than 200,000,000 square miles of surface on the Earth. Only 29% of that surface is land or ice. The rest is water. Of that 29% only 1% is inhabited my man.
    So that means that there are about 2,000,000 square miles of land that have humans on it. Most of those humans are concentrated in towns and cities. Let's us yoru example of England for instance. England has 50 cities, (cities with an official charter - surely there are a few uncharted villages, but not so much to make a big difference). Just one nuke could easily wipe out any city in Great Britain. In fact in many cases one nuke would wipe out a few cities in England. All things considered Great Britain could easily be wiped off the map with just a couple dozen nukes.
    So this idea that we would need 2 million nukes to destroy the world is what I call Glen Beck-talk, i.e. No where in the ball park of Reality.

    No sir, you are incorrect.

    You need to define your terms.

    What does "destroy the world" mean? There are many possible interpretations.

    One would be to destroy the planet entirely as a collective body of matter... we have no such ability.
    Another would be to wipe out all life on earth... we have no such ability.
    A third, much less applicable but humano-centric definition, would be to wipe out all of humanity. We have no such ability.

    Your definition appears to be "severely damage all major cities and inflict heavy casualties on urban populations". Yes, we just might have enough nukes to do something close to that. However this is NOT "Destroying the world".... destroying YOUR world perhaps, if you consider city-dwelling humanity to be "the World" (a narrow point of view but understandable). However in reality it is hyperbole... the biggest nuke exchange humanity could manage would not destroy all human life, let alone all earthly life, and does not meet any reasonable definition of "destroy the world".

    "CHANGE the world", yes, rather a lot. Destroy it, no.

    Can the hyperbole and maybe we can reason together.

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