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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    The bases were no threat
    With that I agree.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have never said one word about not starting preemptive wars based on the size of the country. That is your strawman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I cannot condone preemptive wars against less powerful nations that have not attacked us.
    What does that have to do with preemptive strikes? I'll tell you. It allows you to condone Iran striking US targets in Iraq.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    And the Muslim world developed algebra. So, your logic, all the Western world should be prohibited from teaching algebra.
    That was a thousand years ago; what have they done since then? Obviously, it was not in the Arabs' nature to contribute to math, or they'd be getting all the Nobel Prizes now. Retroactive historical analysis would point to the fact that by conquest, they temporarily re-activated Greek science, probably entirely by the Greeks they enslaved. When the West was re-born intellectually starting after the Muslim conquest of Constantinople, they naturally had continuous development and have done a lot since then. Obviously, they would have invented algebra on their own. Islam didn't fill in any gaps and never will.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    It's not about words, it's about swords.
    On the outside, trickling down on the insiders.
    We won't live free until the 1% live in fear.
    Hey, richboys! Imagine the boot of democracy stomping on your faces, forever.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    What does that have to do with preemptive strikes? I'll tell you. It allows you to condone Iran striking US targets in Iraq.
    I already told you I do not condone the trading of human blood for oil.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by PrometheusBound View Post
    That was a thousand years ago; what have they done since then? Obviously, it was not in the Arabs' nature to contribute to math, or they'd be getting all the Nobel Prizes now. Retroactive historical analysis would point to the fact that by conquest, they temporarily re-activated Greek science, probably entirely by the Greeks they enslaved. When the West was re-born intellectually starting after the Muslim conquest of Constantinople, they naturally had continuous development and have done a lot since then. Obviously, they would have invented algebra on their own. Islam didn't fill in any gaps and never will.
    You view on how history works is very bizarre and just incorrect. The Muslim and Arab world of then is different than the Muslim and Arab world of now, just as the Dark Ages of the Christian and European world are much different from the current world today. It's not just some linear progression.

    And for you're claim that all what Muslims did was borrow from the Greeks: The Muslims borrowed from the Greeks in the same way that every civilization borrows from other civilizations.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I already told you I do not condone the trading of human blood for oil.
    Very nice. We're all proud of you. Well, you left out animals but they'll forgive. Still, I'm asking about something else: wtf does the power of a country have to do with preemptive strikes being ethical or not?

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Very nice. We're all proud of you. Well, you left out animals but they'll forgive. Still, I'm asking about something else: wtf does the power of a country have to do with preemptive strikes being ethical or not.
    Some people just think it is wrong for someone big and strong to kick the **** out of someone smaller, even the little guy kept kicking the big one on the shins.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Very nice. We're all proud of you. Well, you left out animals but they'll forgive. Still, I'm asking about something else: wtf does the power of a country have to do with preemptive strikes being ethical or not.
    Are you seriously asking why there has to be a real threat to you before you attack someone?
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Some people just think it is wrong for someone big and strong to kick the **** out of someone smaller, even the little guy kept kicking the big one on the shins.
    The little guy could be an industrial rapist, town gassing, food selling, woman owning, gay killing genocidal dictator, but as long as he doesn't get a bigger piece of the pie then we should leave him alone?
    Last edited by ecofarm; 08-30-12 at 05:58 PM.

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