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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Oh, I agree with you on this. Israel almost seems to defy us by announcing a new settlement the moment there's even the slightest "breakthrough" in the so-called "peace process".

    They really are like an unruly teenager. We love them, they are family but they are also a pain in the ass.

    I do think we have been counseling restraint with them. So, I suppose "unleashing" would be more like just shutting up and getting out of the way.

    I really hope none of this will be necessary. Iran continuously denies building atomic weapons. So, if they turn up with one, they will look pretty bad.



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    Israel doesn't listen to us now, we don't have to unchain them, we don't have them chained now. The second they think they can get away with something, they'll do it in a heartbeat.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    I don't want 'payback'. I don't believe in such a thing. I want to free Iran.
    Then you should go fight and die for that cause. The people of Iran that want to be free should fight for that freedom without us sending our people there to die.

    I'm sick and tired of hearing story after story of more American lives lost in some far off land. I'm tired of going to funerals of friends and family members who have died in some God forsaken land thousands of miles away.

    A free Iran? How noble of you. The truth is that we don't have the money for another long war. We don't have the tolerance for it. Iranians that wish to have a free society will fight for it. If you are talking about supporting them through diplomacy then fine. If you are talking about boots on the ground or planes in the sky...NO!
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Not the US, some corrupt leaders of the US.
    If all you got is blaming them, then I guess Saddam is innocent and we should have left a chemical weapon using (on his own people), 17 Chapter 7 UNSCR violating, IAEA dodging genocidal dictator in power. Guess we made a mistake. Let's just remember that if Iran commits genocide to the tune of 300k - don't do anything!

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    200-250k dead in a few years. Towns of 10k wiped out with gas, streets with dead people.

    The land drainage was genocide. There was no ecologic or other upside to make it "the right decision".

    I don't want 'payback'. I don't believe in such a thing. I want to free Iran.
    You should probably document your numbers. They are trying to restore those estuaries which I think is a great idea. But, I suspect mny of the Ma'dan will never return to that life.

    Its not our place to "free Iran"... They are capable people... they will free themselves in time... and they will do so based on their own culture, tradition and faith..

    Killing them only drives them backwards into far more rigid religious constructs.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Your facts and conclusions are filled with errors.
    To destroy the world, whose land surface area is 148,900,000 sq km, compared to bomb destruction area (in km2) of 50 sq km... would require 2,978,000 median-heavy nuclear bombs.

    Two million, nine-hundred seventy eight thousand, bombs. We are not anywhere near that number.
    Now, people will bring up radiation and fallout and "nuclear winter" and claim it would only take a much smaller number of nukes to eradicate all life on earth. Nonsense. Airbursts do not produce much if any radioactive fallout, and immediate dosage is only of concern to those who are line-of-sight to the blast and moderately close. "Nuclear winter".... well the whole topic is highly debateable and probably would NOT be the end of humanity by any means, especially since airbursts would not be a major factor, but conventional wisdom used to be that 3,000 megatons of nukes could MAYBE cause "nuclear winter"... that would be at least 15,000 of the strategic bombs we're talking about... if there even are that many of strategic yield, and if they are operational as many are not, it is hard to imagine even the worst nuclear exchange using that many warheads.


    So there ya have it.... facts.
    Goshin, there are less than 200,000,000 square miles of surface on the Earth. Only 29% of that surface is land or ice. The rest is water. Of that 29% only 1% is inhabited my man.
    So that means that there are about 2,000,000 square miles of land that have humans on it. Most of those humans are concentrated in towns and cities. Let's us yoru example of England for instance. England has 50 cities, (cities with an official charter - surely there are a few uncharted villages, but not so much to make a big difference). Just one nuke could easily wipe out any city in Great Britain. In fact in many cases one nuke would wipe out a few cities in England. All things considered Great Britain could easily be wiped off the map with just a couple dozen nukes.
    So this idea that we would need 2 million nukes to destroy the world is what I call Glen Beck-talk, i.e. No where in the ball park of Reality.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If all you got is blaming them, then I guess Saddam is innocent and we should have left a chemical weapon using (on his own people), 17 Chapter 7 UNSCR violating, IAEA dodging genocidal dictator in power. Guess we made a mistake. Let's just remember that if Iran commits genocide to the tune of 300k - don't do anything!
    We had tremendous leverage over Saddam before Gulf War 2... and could have gotten what we wanted.. We failed to use it because of the neo-cons and chicken hawks.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    We had tremendous leverage over Saddam before Gulf War 2... and could have gotten what we wanted.. We failed to use it because of the neo-cons and chicken hawks.
    So you, also, are going to blame the US (government).

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    If all you got is blaming them, then I guess Saddam is innocent and we should have left a chemical weapon using (on his own people), 17 Chapter 7 UNSCR violating, IAEA dodging genocidal dictator in power. Guess we made a mistake. Let's just remember that if Iran commits genocide to the tune of 300k - don't do anything!
    I suggest that we not become allies with Iran like we did with Saddam if they do.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Killing them only drives them backwards into far more rigid religious constructs.
    That's not what happened in Japan, and Iraq is rapidly liberalizing. It's no longer legal to treat women like livestock there. They can vote and go to school. No more court mandated gang rape to sentence women for 'false accusations'. A lot of great stuff has been hapening in Iraq, and I don't think women are gonna give that power up anytime soon.

    Really, thinking things could get worse than genocidal dictator is absurd. Ask the Kurds what they thought about Saddam losing power.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you, also, are going to blame the US (government).
    Absolutely.. It was a huge waste of money and American lives.

    Have you spent any time in Iran or Iraq?

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