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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Respectfully Sir, using your logic the 9/11 attacks were thoroughly justified. What a horrid thought. I'm SURE you don't feel that way.

    Collateral damage is a glib expression. Killing civilians is totally wrong and 2 wrongs do not make a right.
    Incorrect. First, the attacks were not carried out by legitimate military forces. Second, the World Trade Centers were not in anyway a production facility related to military construction nor were they a government center, they were not a legal target even for a legal military. Had it been a strike by legitimate forces, then yes, the Pentagon was a proper target and any collateral damage related would be part of the equation. It is part of the militaries job to be the target of attacks against America.

    No collateral damage is not a glib expression, it is the unintentional killing of non-military people during a military attack. Intentionally killing civilians is wrong, however, not striking legitimate targets because it may cause collateral damage would increase the danger to our forces and prolong the conflict, causing even more deaths and suffering.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Look, I'm not an Iran fan. However, our involvement with the Shah and our subsequent poor diplomatic efforts don';t earn us a gold medal either.

    One thing I've learned through life is that being "right" is not always as valuable as being "smart".

    Lets say we approached Iran and said "look, we're sorry for pissing you off. We feel we may have done the wrong thing. We'd like to try to start over with a clean slate. We have a lot to offer you and if you'll hold off on your bomb-biz for 3 years, we'll trade with you, tour you, exchange education with you and help you develop nuclear plants if you want us to. All we ask is to give all this another try.Not only that, but we'll throw some money at the Palestinians and we'll tell Israel that building one more ****ing settlement will cost them their foreign aid."

    So, maybe it works - yowser. Maybe they tell us to **** off - hey, we really tried. It's LOGICAL to try to avoid killing 10s of thousands of people, isn't it?

    So, maybe you say "sure Mr. Logical, and what if they say yes but they sneak around and build a nuke?". Well, it's not as if we don't have about 3,000 nukes ourselves and we'll be incapable of defending ourselves.

    Just a speculative opinion of course.....
    I don't think the leaders of Iran are very reasonable people.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Why should you get to decide who's lives are more valuable? The civilians are doing nothing wrong yet we give our military the green light to kill them if necessary?



    If necessary, yup. Like we did in WW2, if we have to.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Middle east: Major oil supplier to Europe, Russia and the USA.

    Middle east in nuclear flames: Bad Thing for everyone.
    That's actually our fault. We have better ways of getting oil alone, not to mention sensible green fuels.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    If you don't try, you won't know.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't think the leaders of Iran are very reasonable people.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    That's actually our fault. We have better ways of getting oil alone, not to mention sensible green fuels.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    No

    I've had this debate before, CHINA and RUSSIA are BFFs with the Islamic Republic of Iran. It is likely, though not certain, that they could use our attacking Iran as an excuse to bomb us at home

    Not to mention we've had a nice run with Stuxnet and Flame. Keep up the cyber warfare instead.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If necessary, yup. Like we did in WW2, if we have to.
    It wouldn't be necessary, though.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    Why should you get to decide who's lives are more valuable? The civilians are doing nothing wrong yet we give our military the green light to kill them if necessary?
    I am not deciding. But frankly my countrymen, friends and allies are of course more valuable to me than the opposing (enemy) population, duh. If it was me actually deciding, the current Iranian government would of ceased to exist shortly after Reagan took office. My vote is not deciding, it is merely stating my approval. If those civilians want to protect themselves against us bombing them, then hey, they attack their government and it's nuke facilities otherwise, well, it sucks to be them.

    You are approaching it as if no one would die if we just left the situation alone. Hey, good on you, but frankly, I could never make my mind act at that level of denial of reality.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    If you don't try, you won't know.
    Didn't Obama try and then just gave up trying to have a reasonable exchange? Not to mention, all you have to do is take a look at some of the things the mullahs say and do.

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