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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    There is more evidence that Israel already has nuclear weapons than there is that Iran is close to having them.
    This thread is not about Israel nuclear capability but rather Iran's.

    In any case, Israel does not pose a threat to the Western world as does Iran.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post
    This thread is not about Israel nuclear capability but rather Iran's.

    In any case, Israel does not pose a threat to the Western world as does Iran.
    I disagree. I think Israel could as easily disrupt life in the western world more easily than Iran.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I disagree. I think Israel could as easily disrupt life in the western world more easily than Iran.

    then we will agree to disagree.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Many nuclear countries have extremists, including our own.....................
    Tell me, are those extremist with a phylosophy of hate and intolerance who are willing to murder children in the name of their god in control of our government? They are there. We are not talking about having extremist, but the extremist ruling the place.

    Doing the Will of God is the most consistant, most defining cutlural element in the Arab mid-east. Until you understand that basic fact and understand what the koran says, you have, nor can you have even the smallest understanding of the middle east. Whorshiping another god is a capital offence in sharia law, so is a woman marrying a non -muslim man (they are stoned to death quite often when it happens). There are many, many lethal intollerances in their beliefs.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Tell me, are those extremist with a phylosophy of hate and intolerance who are willing to murder children in the name of their god in control of our government?
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    They are there. We are not talking about having extremist, but the extremist ruling the place.
    As has been noted, the Iranian government has not acted suicidal in the past.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Tell me, are those extremist with a phylosophy of hate and intolerance who are willing to murder children in the name of their god in control of our government? They are there. We are not talking about having extremist, but the extremist ruling the place.

    Doing the Will of God is the most consistant, most defining cutlural element in the Arab mid-east. Until you understand that basic fact and understand what the koran says, you have, nor can you have even the smallest understanding of the middle east. Whorshiping another god is a capital offence in sharia law, so is a woman marrying a non -muslim man (they are stoned to death quite often when it happens). There are many, many lethal intollerances in their beliefs.
    IMO, bombing and killing innocent men, women and children, who have never done anything to anyone, is also pretty bad.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by EdWagemann View Post
    I'm not one to promote stuffing the genie back into the bottle. Nukes are a part of reality and we must deal with them.



    Well, lets at least compare our facts, shall we?

    By 1981, USA had 4,000 planes capable of delivering a nuclear bomb. Russia had 5000.

    USA defence spending for 1981 = 178 billion dollars. By 1986, it was 367 billion dollars.

    By 1986, it is estimated that throughout the world there were 40,000 nuclear warheads - the equivalent of one million Hiroshima bombs.

    British Intelligence estimated that just one medium sized H-bomb on London would essentially destroy anything living up to 30 miles away.

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    Your facts and conclusions are filled with errors.


    Globally there are now approximately 23,000 nuclear warheads.
    (Upated as of October 2009)

    Russia 13,000
    United States 9,400
    France 300
    China 240
    United Kingdom 185
    Israel 80
    Pakistan 70-90
    India 60-80
    North Korea <10

    Estimated Total: 23,375

    This total is from the Federation of American Scientists source:
    Federation of American Scientists :: Status of World Nuclear Forces

    (FAS data is from the Nuclear Notebook in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists,
    and the nuclear appendix in the SIPRI Yearbook.)
    How many nuclear weapons are there in the world?

    Many are "tactical grade" .... less than 50kt.

    Many are not "operational"... not ready to go. Experts have estimated that the former USSR's nuke missle arsenal would have experienced a 30% or higher failure rate if launched. Maintaining a nuke warhead is difficult and relatively expensive and requires experts.

    Most modern "strategic nukes" are less than 300kt yield.

    Info on a 100kt warhead:

    The W76 is a United States thermonuclear warhead. It was manufactured from 1978-1987, and is still in service as of 2009.

    The W-76 is carried inside a Mk-4 re-entry vehicle. U.S. Trident I and Trident II Submarine Launched Ballistic Missiles may carry W76 warheads as one warhead option, along with W88 warheads in the Trident II.

    The dimensions of the W76 and Mk-4 reentry vehicle which carries it are not known; only the warhead's weight of 362 pounds (164 kg) has been disclosed.

    The W76 has a yield of 100 kilotons.

    The upgraded W76-1/Mk4A will be used in both American and British submarines.

    Extensions to the service lives for 800 of the warheads was approved by the US government in 2000, then later increased to 2,000. The project is scheduled for completion in 2018.

    The warhead is currently the most numerous weapon in the US nuclear arsenal


    200kt is also a common yield. Let's look at the effects of a 200kt warhead...

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    The heavy-damage radius is 2.4 miles... this doesn't mean everyone within 2.4 miles is a goner, but lets take that as a rough "circle of destruction".


    How many of these would be required to totally destroy Britain?

    Britain's area is 88,744 square miles.

    One 200kt nuke, with a heavy damage radius of 2.4 miles, has an area of "destruction" of a=pi(r-squared) about 18 square miles.

    It would take 88,744 / 18 = 4,930.... that is 4,930 typical strategic nukes to more-or-less totally destroy all of Britain... a large chunk of the world's nukes.

    BTW.... most attacks on civilian targets are air-bursts, which typically do not produce much if any fallout.

    To destroy the world, whose land surface area is 148,900,000 sq km, compared to bomb destruction area (in km2) of 50 sq km... would require 2,978,000 median-heavy nuclear bombs.

    Two million, nine-hundred seventy eight thousand, bombs. We are not anywhere near that number.


    Now, people will bring up radiation and fallout and "nuclear winter" and claim it would only take a much smaller number of nukes to eradicate all life on earth. Nonsense. Airbursts do not produce much if any radioactive fallout, and immediate dosage is only of concern to those who are line-of-sight to the blast and moderately close. "Nuclear winter".... well the whole topic is highly debateable and probably would NOT be the end of humanity by any means, especially since airbursts would not be a major factor, but conventional wisdom used to be that 3,000 megatons of nukes could MAYBE cause "nuclear winter"... that would be at least 15,000 of the strategic bombs we're talking about... if there even are that many of strategic yield, and if they are operational as many are not, it is hard to imagine even the worst nuclear exchange using that many warheads.


    So there ya have it.... facts.
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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    IMO, bombing and killing innocent men, women and children, who have never done anything to anyone, is also pretty bad.
    Good thing that US Forces actually take into account the Geneva Conventions and do concern themselves with collateral damage then, it would be a shame if it was done by someone who might intentionally target innocent men, women and children, (the US does not) say someone like the regime in Tehran.

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    Re: Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Good thing that US Forces actually take into account the Geneva Conventions and do concern themselves with collateral damage then, it would be a shame if it was done by someone who might intentionally target innocent men, women and children, (the US does not) say someone like the regime in Tehran.
    Yes, true, but the thread title is about bombing, and then we have some people talking nukes. Kind of hard to pick and choose WHO you are taking out that way I would think.

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