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How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

Rebuild New Orleans?


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I don't know. Its an amazing city with a lot of history and culture. At the same time I estimated the numbers and if I was right (probably wasn't :), the cost to rebuild it would be about $500,000 per resident. If I lived in NOLA and was offered $500,000 to leave and start over somewhere else or stay while Uncle Sam uses that money to rebuild the city for you and your fellow New Orleanians, I'd take the money and get out of dodge. Mom, Dad and two kids would get $2 million to relocate to wherever they want. Who wouldn't?

Then hand over the city to the a dozen of the top civil engineering universities in America and the US Army Corp of Engineers to bulldoze and smartly rebuild it, if possible permanently fixing the under sea level issues. 10 to 15 years later auction off parcels of it to developers to recoup the costs of buying out former residents and re-engineering costs to the university and the Army.

Great idea,but the problem here is that the sociopaths here don't want to pay for it.
 
New Orleans isn't being destroyed as we speak.The levees are holding out.Why does it seem so many people here seem disappointed at that rather than being thankful that there is no lose of human life?
Just because people are "stupid" as you people put it,does not mean you should delight in their suffering.Since you by your own admittance have done stupid things,should people delight in your suffering?

You seem to associating "don't have sympahty" with delighting in suffering. They are not the same thing. I am not rooting for them to be killed, even though the majority of them are Obama loving socialist liberal assholes that mankind and our country would be better off without.
 
You seem to associating "don't have sympahty" with delighting in suffering. They are not the same thing.
You are right,sociopaths don't feel pleasure like normal human beings do.
I am not rooting for them to be killed, even though the majority of them are Obama loving socialist liberal assholes that mankind and our country would be better off without.

So you get to decide who our species should do without?
Narcissism and megalomania.Classic symptoms of a sociopath.
 
As a taoist I also realize that the ancient chinese "prophets" had more respect,compassion and understanding for their fellow human beings and human nature than you yourself are showing.

Do you realize the cost of abandoning New Orleans?What about Grand Isle and the rest of Plaquemines Parish.Or any place else that has frequent disasters?
Miami may not be sinking but it does get hit quite frequently by hurricanes.

Are you willing to help pay for the cost?
Where should all those people go?

You are most certainly not a Taoist if you moved from a place you truly loved to some place else simply to make more money.
You are also most surely not a Taoist for thinking it's man's right to combat nature and earth in the way we are doing it in New Orleans.

Stop calling everybody a sociopath for discussing something fundamentally rational.

Would you build a house inside the crater of a once active volcano?
Would you build a house on a major floor plain?
Would you build a house on the slope of a mountain where major avalanches are common at least once a decade?

Would you move your family into any one of those houses and sleep soundly at night?
 
A large coastal city that's actually lower than sea level.
A place surrounded by levy's to keep water out under normal conditions.
Prone to hurricane strikes.

Why do we keep trying to rebuild this place?

Is it time to let nature have it back?

Yeah, it's completely expendable. Condemn it, get the people out, sink it, no more problems. It was stupid to build a city there in the first place, and it's not like we'll be losing some great cultural center of humanity.
 
You are right,sociopaths don't feel pleasure like normal human beings do.


So you get to decide who our species should do without?
Narcissism and megalomania.Classic symptoms of a sociopath.

Nope, I don't decide anything other than for myself. But you seem to think that society has some responsiblity to step and stop natural selection from occurring, I don't. The best way to punish a socialist for being socialist is make them live in a socialist society. Unfortunately, at present in our country, we cannot seperate ourselfs from them and allow that to happen. If someone choses to live in NO, choses not to evacuate for a hurricane and dies as a result of it, I see that as natural selection and we should not interfere with it. If someone choses to live in NO, then providing levies and such is their business and "responsibility", not the rest of the nations.
 
Yeah, it's completely expendable. Condemn it, get the people out, sink it, no more problems. It was stupid to build a city there in the first place, and it's not like we'll be losing some great cultural center of humanity.

Gee, go figure, it was the French that decided to build there in the first place.
 
Gee, go figure, it was the French that decided to build there in the first place.

Screw the French. This isn't 1718, this is 2012.
 
Gee, go figure, it was the French that decided to build there in the first place.

We didn't even need that part, just the bit where the Mississippi passed through. When Napoleon sold the whole thing at such a low price, that should have told us something... ****ing Jefferson.
 
New Orleans is geographically located at the mouth of the Mississippi River, and is therefore one of the most important ports in the United States. Wherever you have a major port, you're going to have a major city. For this reason, choosing not to rebuild it simply isn't an option.

Of course it's an option.

This isn't the 1700's.

There are ways of shipping things into and out of the country that don't require the exact geographic location where NO sits now.

Go a bit farther up river until you find a spot that is NOT BELOW SEA LEVEL.
 
You are most certainly not a Taoist is you moved from a place you truly loved to some place else simply to make more money.
Are you saying there is something wrong with making money?
What are you,a communist?

Please show me where in any taoist scripture where that is forbidden?
You are also most surely not a Taoist for thinking it's man's right to combat nature and earth in the way we are doing it in New Orleans.
Where have I said that?All I have been saying that there are myriad of reasons why people live where they live.Stupidity is not the only reason.
Stop calling everybody a sociopath for discussing something fundamentally rational.
Why?Sociopaths never seem to have a problem rationalizing their actions.
If people have the right to state their opinions here,then so do I.
No on e here has to like them,nor am I require to like theirs.
I think there are a lot of sociopaths here.
That's just my opinion,deal with it.
Would you build a house inside the crater of a once active volcano?
Would you build a house on a major floor plain?
Would you build a house on the slope of a mountain where major avalanches are common at least once a decade?

Would you move your family into any one of those houses and sleep soundly at night?

This isn't about me,this is about the people of New Orleans,and you have yet to detail how they should all be moved even after I asked you to.
You seem to have all the answers lets have them.
 
Isn't aiding other American in time of crisis what we do as a people?

If Americans were to vacate every part of the nation with risk attached, what would be left?

The North east part of New England has brutal winters that kill lots of people annually and ocean front that people drown in and boats capsize in.
The South gets hit by storms and hurricanes wreaking death and devastation periodically.

The midwest is known as tornado alley and the area bordering the Mississippi River has known lethal floods wiping out homes and even entire towns.
The southwest is hit by drought almost every year it seems.
California is in a major earthquake zone and has devastating fires.

Where do we jam those 311 million people that is safe?
 
Of course it's an option.

This isn't the 1700's.

There are ways of shipping things into and out of the country that don't require the exact geographic location where NO sits now.

Go a bit farther up river until you find a spot that is NOT BELOW SEA LEVEL.
I'm still waiting for someone to detail how such a feat can be done and how to,pay for it?
 
Of course it's an option.

This isn't the 1700's.

There are ways of shipping things into and out of the country that don't require the exact geographic location where NO sits now.

Go a bit farther up river until you find a spot that is NOT BELOW SEA LEVEL.

If you went farther up the Mississippi River, then you're no longer at the mouth of the river with access to the Gulf of Mexico. You're just at some random spot on the Mississippi River. And that doesn't work because logistically, the kind of ships that can carry freight on the Mississippi River are generally not the same kind of ships that can carry freight on the ocean, and vice versa.
 
From a Taoist standpoint, wouldn't allowing nature to take back that specific area of the planet actually save lives and put an end to much human suffering?

Working with nature, and not against it?

If you truly want to do what is best for people in that area, you would not make it easier for them to stay there would you?

If there's a large, starving population living in an area where no food can be grown, and little water is available, would you be helping them by sending them food and water? Or would it be better for all to relocate them to some place where they can grow food and have their own water?
 
I'm still waiting for someone to detail how such a feat can be done and how to,pay for it?

Keep waiting my friend. Nobody who suggested it wants to spend penny one on such a task. They simply think they can dispense their advice and all those poor folks should do it on their own with no help from anyone - especially the hated and demonized government.
 
I'm still waiting for someone to detail how such a feat can be done and how to,pay for it?

Thats easy, expand capacity at other existing ports and the increased volume of traffic at those ports would pay for it. If it absolutely has to go onto the Mississippi River, move it up to Baton Rouge, if not, there is Houston and other ports on the gulf that are not that far away and wouldn't significantly increase shipping costs.
 
Isn't aiding other American in time of crisis what we do as a people?
Apparently not anymore.We live in an age of "I got mine,screw everyone else".It's every man and woman for themselves.
If Americans were to vacate every part of the nation with risk attached, what would be left?
Canada?
The North east part of New England has brutal winters that kill lots of people annually and ocean front that people drown in and boats capsize in.
The South gets hit by storms and hurricanes wreaking death and devastation periodically.

The midwest is known as tornado alley and the area bordering the Mississippi River has known lethal floods wiping out homes and even entire towns.
The southwest is hit by drought almost every year it seems.
California is in a major earthquake zone and has devastating fires.

Where do we jam those 311 million people that is safe?
Apparently not Chicago,Miami,or Texas.
 
And those are real human people living in that part of the real world.People who have friends,family and other people who love them.
In the real world,apparently there are a lot of sociopaths who delight in the thought of or just don't care about humans suffering.

Wouldn't continuously rebuilding a failing area cause more suffering?

Wouldn't relocating the city lessen that suffering if the city was moved to a more stable environment, one not below sea level?
 
Apparently not Chicago,Miami,or Texas.

Well you know that right wingers would never live in Chicago because they keep telling horror stories of the dead arising every election day and wandering from voting place to voting place.

Miami has those terrible seasonal storms.

And Texas ....... Texas is Texas. It is definitely NOT for everyone. Having been there once I hope that 25 years from now I can still say the same thing. ;)
 
Not at all.I am pointing out that there are myriad of reasons why people live and stay where they are?

Fine. That is then their choice, and the consequences are theirs to bear. I can see helping them out once, but I'm not interested in enabling repeated poor judgment.

Are you saying that a mass exodus/evacuation of over 300,000 people from a major is a simple thing of a matter of free will?

Simple, probably not. Free will, definitely.

Where shall all those people go? What do you suggest oh great and wise ancient philosopher?

I suggest that it is not my obligation to decide, because they are independent (supposedly) and not my herd of cattle.
 
From a Taoist standpoint, wouldn't allowing nature to take back that specific area of the planet actually save lives and put an end to much human suffering?
Sure it is,and a taoist would ask,where do you put the people.How do you move that many people without causing human suffering.Seems like a simple common sense question.You seem to have all the answers.
Working with nature, and not against it?
A taoist would understand that there may be a way to work with nature to protect the city rather than wholesale abandoning it just because someone who lives hundreds and hundreds a miles away says they shoud.


If you truly want to do what is best for people in that area, you would not make it easier for them to stay there would you?
Wu wei (look it up).I do not live in that area,and neither do you.
If there's a large, starving population living in an area where no food can be grown, and little water is available, would you be helping them by sending them food and water? Or would it be better for all to relocate them to some place where they can grow food and have their own water?

There are parts of Africa that fit that description.What are you doing to help them?
 
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