View Poll Results: Rebuild New Orleans?

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  • yes - rebuild it, but make this the last time

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Thread: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    The point is, we always find a way to pay for things we deem important.

    How much money have we wasted on Pakistan and Iraq over the last few decades?

    Trillions?

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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    The point is, we always find a way to pay for things we deem important.

    How much money have we wasted on Pakistan and Iraq over the last few decades?

    Trillions?
    1.37 Trillion on Afghanistan and Iraq.

    11.74 Billion in aid to Pakistan.

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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    Not as much as it would cost us to lose it.
    I don't think it would've cost trillions if we never went to war in the first place.

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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Then shouldn't we do that for anyplace in this country that gets hit with tornadoes,earthquakes,cyclones,floods,wildfires,et c?
    It's a bit like home insurance. My home could burn down tonight. A terrible accident. Could have been the neighbors house or the guy 3 cities away or anywhere - not much is built that doesn't have the risk of fire. We buy homeowners insurance so that if our house does burn down we don't have to pay for it. Really we're spreading the risk out among many people so that nobody has to pay a lot of money to rebuild a burnt house.

    This works well as long as people don't do stupid stuff. The odds of my house burning are pretty much the same as my neighbor's house burning. If I start doing things that will cause my house to burn down more often I break the system. Building on an active volcano where I can predict my house burning down about every 5 years for example - we're no longer spreading risk. What we're doing is subsidizing my poor decision with the insurance premiums of others. An insurance company would hopefully realize my idiocy and start charging me much higher insurance premiums to move it back to risk spreading and not subsidizing me.

    So the question is whether New Orleans is at greater risk than the places that get hit with tornadoes, earthquakes, cyclones, floods, wildfires, etc...

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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    The point is, we always find a way to pay for things we deem important.

    How much money have we wasted on Pakistan and Iraq over the last few decades?

    Trillions?
    Iraq was only wasted because we turned tail and ran instead of completing the job.

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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Iraq was only wasted because we turned tail and ran instead of completing the job.
    There was no clearly defined "job" in the first place. If anything, the money we put into Afghanistan the first time was wasted because we ran over to Iraq instead of actually finishing what we set out to do there. Then we had to go back and start over at square one.
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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I happen to absolutely LOVE the city of New Orleans. I would go there in a heartbeat for a vacation providing we were not in the summertime.

    Its a great town with great people, great restaurants, great culture and is like no other place in America. It is a national treasure and we should not be so quick to write it off.
    I am really torn on this issue, and not quick to write it off. I too have had some wonderful visits to New Orleans, and the people and culture are unique. However, given both the current below sea level location and the increasing frequency and severity of storms due to climate change it seems to make sense to help them move their city and culture, as much as it can be preserved, a little further north. Diverting future disaster including massive loss of life seems to me to being the overriding consideration here.
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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There was no clearly defined "job" in the first place. If anything, the money we put into Afghanistan the first time was wasted because we ran over to Iraq instead of actually finishing what we set out to do there. Then we had to go back and start over at square one.
    The whole going back thing started when some idiot put the French in charge of an area. They were attacked and decided the odds were too great against them so they ran, gee, imagine that. Never mind that the Brits and the Americans have prevailed against the same odds, usually even greater ones, repeatedly. I haven't watched it that closely, but I don't think we have fully re-established control over the area the French surrendered.

    The Job in Iraq was to take down SoDamned Insane. Unfortunately, Rumsfeld didn't realize that that also included small things like helping the people after we blew their infrastructure and government to kingdom come. No plan, no ideas and the biggest circle jerk you could imagine as a result. Of course, Bush has to take ultimate responsibility, since he wasn't bright enough to figure out just how dumb Rumsfeld was to begin with. Took him until his second term to actually start listening to Condi and dump Rumsfeld.

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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Nor as much as it would cost us if we were fighting it here instead of over there.
    Very true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Das Sozialist View Post
    I don't think it would've cost trillions if we never went to war in the first place.
    We didn't go to war, they did. The ragheads committed war crimes on our territory, and we decided not to accept that behavior from them. So we set out to kill them.

    Now let's get back to the subject of the thread.
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    Re: How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    The Job in Iraq was to take down SoDamned Insane. Unfortunately, Rumsfeld didn't realize that that also included small things like helping the people after we blew their infrastructure and government to kingdom come. No plan, no ideas and the biggest circle jerk you could imagine as a result. Of course, Bush has to take ultimate responsibility, since he wasn't bright enough to figure out just how dumb Rumsfeld was to begin with. Took him until his second term to actually start listening to Condi and dump Rumsfeld.
    Let's be honest, the only reason we went into Iraq was Bush's personal vendetta against the guy who tried to kill his daddy. The Bush administration had to make up lies, trying to link Iraq to the 9/11 attacks, and continued to lie the whole damn time we were there. We had no business ever attacking them in our War of Terror.
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