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Thread: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

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    Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Both involve non-citizens taking jobs that could be going to Americans for less than Americans would be willing or legally able to accept.

    Despite this, each political party seems to think the economic benefits of just one outweigh the costs to American jobs.

    Why aren't people as outraged about out-sourcing as they are about illegal immigration? And vice versa? Is there a double-standard? Or is there a key distinguishing feature between the two practices?
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    Re: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krhazy View Post
    Both involve non-citizens taking jobs that could be going to Americans for less than Americans would be willing or legally able to accept.

    Despite this, each political party seems to think the economic benefits of just one outweigh the costs to American jobs.

    Why aren't people as outraged about out-sourcing as they are about illegal immigration? And vice versa? Is there a double-standard? Or is there a key distinguishing feature between the two practices?
    I am outraged about both illegal immigration and outsourcing. The idea that someone can be patriotic/loyal and support outsourcing or illegal illegal immigration is laughable.
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    Re: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Illegal immigration.
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    Re: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Most Republican voters seem to be outraged about both. Democrats are more mixed, but the ones who care about such things tend to care about both issues. But honestly, the major divide on these issues isn't partisanship...it's education. Highly educated voters tend to support both immigration and outsourcing, while less educated voters tend to oppose both.
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    Re: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Most Republican voters seem to be outraged about both. Democrats are more mixed, but the ones who care about such things tend to care about both issues. But honestly, the major divide on these issues isn't partisanship...it's education. Highly educated voters tend to support both immigration and outsourcing, while less educated voters tend to oppose both.
    Education has nothing to do with it.Those who support illegal immigration and outsourcing are globalist pieces of ****,this as little to do with education. Many of those globalist pieces of **** either profit from illegal immigration and outsourcing or tend to believe that their jobs are safe.
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    Re: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Of course.

    Illegal immigration is, well, illegal. It has been allowed by both parties for many years because some parts of the US economy rely on that type of labor.

    Outsourcing is a way of increasing profits. Dramatically. It is not even slightly illegal. Businesses are purposed to make as much money as possible, not to make societal judgements.

    It's easy to be a master critic. However, if you were charged with profit-making, you'd soon change your POV.

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    Re: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Most Republican voters seem to be outraged about both. Democrats are more mixed, but the ones who care about such things tend to care about both issues. But honestly, the major divide on these issues isn't partisanship...it's education. Highly educated voters tend to support both immigration and outsourcing, while less educated voters tend to oppose both.
    The Corporate Global Expansionists (CGEs) who hold dominant power on the right and tend to be Republicans are quite in favor of both illegal immigration and out-sourcing because both have the related fiscal effect of utilizing wage-slaves in place of Americans to thereby lower the corporate cost and increase the corporate profit.

    The Multi-Cultural Internationalists (MCIs) who hold dominant power on the left and tend to be Democrats are quite in favor of both illegal immigration and out-sourcing because both have the related social effect of creating the one-world no-boundaries nation-less government that threatens to import third-world poverty to America.

    Neither the CGEs or the MCIs care a lick about the great majority of their fellow Amerian citizens who suffer at their hands, as their respective fiscal and social ideology compels them to their Benedict Arnoldian behavior without ethical/moral feeling as they fiddle for the Rome they are burning.

    The quantity of their education is not a factor here, but the quality of it is, and many with high IQs and much knowledge have historically been detrimental to humanity, as all along it was their EQ that was in great need of an intelligence boost, suffering as it was from a lack of humane qualities such as loyalty and a sense of both liberty and justice for all their fellow American citizens .. and such damaging detriment is epitomized by the sociopathic CGEs and the cultist true-believing MCIs.

    Those who have not been adversely infected by the seduction of CGEs and MCIs are ethically/morally aware of the obvious damage done to their fellow American citizens from both illegal immigration and out-sourcing. This great majority tends to be centrist in political perspective, loyal to their fellow Americans .. and, sadly, politically inactive/apathetic, as unlike the left with the Dems and the right with the Repubs, there is no political party to represent their perspective.

    When a centrist political party emerges, and it will, hopefully before things get too depressionarily worse, it will begin to put an end to the so-called "global economy", the "global economy" which is merely a euphemism for planetary wage-slave workers in a country-less world.
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    Re: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Illegal Immigration is taking away jobs that are available here.

    Outsourcing is often a survival response, not a "I want more money" response. Simply put, American products cost more with rarely a decernable difference in quality. Americans buy more on price or quality difference than place of manufacture. Between OSHA, EPA, Taxes, Labor Costs, and purchasing choices of the American Public, outsourcing is survival for Companies, if they remained here, they just couldn't remain in business in a competitive market when higher quality or cheaper choice are available. If Americans don't want jobs outsourced, then perhaps they should actully purchase American made products. I remember when there were lots of American made choices available, but they went away because American people weren't purchasing them. Yes, they make more money as the result of outsourcing because when cost become cheaper to them, they didn't reduce price, but most outsourcing originated because the government, unions and lack of purchases by Americans forced them to outsource.

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    Re: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Outsourcing is often a survival response, not a "I want more money" response. Simply put, American products cost more with rarely a decernable difference in quality. Americans buy more on price or quality difference than place of manufacture. Between OSHA, EPA, Taxes, Labor Costs, and purchasing choices of the American Public, outsourcing is survival for Companies, if they remained here, they just couldn't remain in business in a competitive market when higher quality or cheaper choice are available.
    I completely agree with this. It's not realistic to expect companies not to outsource jobs if they can get the same product at a cheaper price elsewhere. If we could somehow prevent outsourcing, it wouldn't bring jobs back...it would just reduce the size of the economy and the jobs wouldn't exist at all.

    Which is why I don't understand this...

    Illegal Immigration is taking away jobs that are available here.
    No, the same is true for illegal immigration. Generally speaking, many of those jobs simply wouldn't exist at all if not for illegal immigrants. It's not like they're taking something away from Americans. It's the same issue as with outsourcing: If businesses can get the same product at a cheaper price from some other worker, they're probably going to do it, and it's unrealistic to expect otherwise.

    But then, I don't see either outsourcing or immigration as a problem. They both make the economy run much more efficiently, they reduce prices for American consumers, and they greatly improve the overall quality of living, both in the US and abroad.
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    Re: Immigration / Out-Sourcing Double-Standard?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Education has nothing to do with it.Those who support illegal immigration and outsourcing are globalist pieces of ****,this as little to do with education. Many of those globalist pieces of **** either profit from illegal immigration and outsourcing or tend to believe that their jobs are safe.
    People who tend to not have a firm grasp of basic economics don't understand that neither of these things are really all that bad.
    So he's more or less right.
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