Can we prevent WW3?

There has been lots of warmongering and gun-waving lately in the Middle East, which could easily spiral into a new world war. Not to mention the debt crisis that we are in. Things look gloomy.
So, have we learned something from the previous two world wars or will we butcher each other again? Can we get out of this mess the human way or the old fashion :blastem: way?

Hm? :roll:

If you mean: is it physically possible that we would not engage in another world war, the answer is, obviously, yes. But if you mean: are we very likely to avoid another world war, the answer is, just as obviously, probably not.

The question is obviously the later.

I would like to see us stay out of it, but we won't. Simple enough to say "Hey, we're broke. You guys do your thing, but if you decide to cross the pond we'll bomb your family's village back to the stone age." It will be a religious war between Muslims and Jews, our country has no place in that since we have both. Just once I would like to see us stay out of it.While we're at it if they start in with each other over there we need to pull all our guys out and let them go at it.

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As much as i agree (and you're quote made me laugh because it's true), i am doubtful we will pull out because of a war. we will keep our soldiers there so we can enter the war not because of religion, but because one side will mistakenly attack us, giving us every right to "bomb thier family's back to the stone age"

innovating a replacement for the current imported oil transportation energy model might make the middle east situation a little less volatile. a good enough solution might also help relations with Russia and China.

Well, we can probably stay a WW3, or prevent the middle east from spawning one. The sad truth however, is that there will always be wars and someday one of them may become something as atrocious as the past two world wars.

Canell said:

There has been lots of warmongering and gun-waving lately in the Middle East, which could easily spiral into a new world war. Not to mention the debt crisis that we are in. Things look gloomy.
So, have we learned something from the previous two world wars or will we butcher each other again? Can we get out of this mess the human way or the old fashion :blastem: way?

Hm? :roll:

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I don't know if it would blow up into a legit WW 3, but it is spiraling towards escalation. Yes, we could stop it, likely our government not only won't stop it but they will encourage the dissent.

World War 3 (if it happens) will be the end of the world as we know it because inevitably it will come down to nuclear bombs.

Like the saying goes: WW3 will be fought with bomb and guns....WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

Can we prevent it?

Yes.

Will we prevent it?

Unlikely.

Our "leaders" are bound to the same human constraints of egotism and pride that we all are. It is unlikely that a consensus will be reached to prevent a global conflict. I fear that America is partially (if not fully) responsible for it due to our overwhelming military presence in places it doesn't belong. I fear that the apathy a lot of Americans show towards a growing empire is similar to apathy shown by other groups of people throughout history.

We are always looking for the next great threat to the world, but none of us look in the mirror to see the monster looking back at us. Our threats reside in Washington DC...not Kandahar....not Tehran...not Pyongyang. Our Federal government has reached a mass that was NEVER intended. Until the people of this country realize the danger in it...we are doomed to fall in line with its decisions. Decisions that could very well lead us down the path to oblivion.

I'm astonished how quick people are to assume that a WWIII will happen.

AreteCourage said:

World War 3 (if it happens) will be the end of the world as we know it because inevitably it will come down to nuclear bombs.

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Damn, the freaking Maya may prove right. :fly:

Proud South Korean said:

I'm astonished how quick people are to assume that a WWIII will happen.

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It most probably will.

No. The Cold War is, in fact, already over.

WWIV has already begun, so the question of "stopping" it isn't really up for grabs.

Proud South Korean said:

I'm astonished how quick people are to assume that a WWIII will happen.

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Why is it surprising to you? Wars happen all the time, we're used to them and nobody's really right to say that one won't become something global in scale.

We better figure out how to stop or get through the Second American Civil War before we start concerning ourselves with WW III. The ground work for it is already laid. The tensions are already high and building. The only two things lacking is Rebel Leadership and a trigger event. The 1860 Election of Lincoln was the trigger the firsttime, is it possible that the re-election of Obama could be the trigger this time? Maybe. While it is possible to see that the powder keg is primed and set, what event will actually light the fuse is not as clear to see.

Over the last 4 years, Americans have purchased more military based weapons and stockpiled more ammuntion than at anytime in our history, States have openly excerted States Rights and have conflicted more and more with the Federal Government, I have heard more comments of "someone should shoot Obama" than any other previous president (actually, he is the only sitting president I have ever heard that comment about, fortunately, all of them seem to waiting for the mysterous "someone" instead of stepping forward to be that someone), Texas is openly discussing returning to an independent Republic, In the case of "Obamacare", several states have already openly stated refusal to abide by that law, large numbers of Americans have said they will violently resist attempts to enforce that law (whether they actually will or not is yet to be seen, however, while not all will, I do believe some will). Fortunately for us, Gun-Control, a definite trigger issue (if you listen to gun owners) is not likely at this time. During Clinton, two anti-government people actually carried out a terrorist attack, so far during Obama, how many have been arrested not just for anti-government rhetoric, but for actually attempting to acquire materials to carry out an attack or taking actions to initiate an attack? Hint, lot more than 2. Anti-government groups have had a huge surge in memebership and interest.

While you may interpret these facts however you wish, to me they add up to the US being on the edge of Civil War.

Wars are, unfortunately, going to be inevitable in the existence of mankind. The reasons behind this need no explaining - human nature will cause people to always be in conflict one time or another.

That being said, WWIII as an actual, worldwide, economy-devastating war is extremely unlikely. Some warmongering or uprising in in another country doesn't cause a war, and since WWII and WWI we've developed greatly in terms of weaponry. We, as well as many other countries, now have the power to cause a devastating nuclear war, but that power in itself is actually what keeps us from creating such wars. Basically, such powerful forces are not ones to be reckoned with. When nuclear weapons come into play, we're talking about casualties that could literally lie in the billions. The amount of devastation such force could cause is counter-productive to the intentions of war, and therefore the possibility of a WWIII occurring, while still possible, is unlikely.

Well yes but...

that is if Iran stops its nuclear capabilities.

but more important... much more important than Iran...


if China doesn't get too territorial....

Iran wont be that hard... China on the other hand ...wont be a picnic ... not at all!


One thing at the time though.

I'm not too sure what will happen, I hope we don't see a WWIII, in my lifetime or any, but that seems unlikely to me.

In my opinion, WW3 began when the Carter administration betrayed and abandoned the Shah of Iran, allowing him to be overthrown and his nation overrun by a gang of Islamist savages, who have been waging war against us and against much of the civilized world ever since.

Demosthenes- said:

Wars are, unfortunately, going to be inevitable in the existence of mankind. The reasons behind this need no explaining - human nature will cause people to always be in conflict one time or another.

That being said, WWIII as an actual, worldwide, economy-devastating war is extremely unlikely. Some warmongering or uprising in in another country doesn't cause a war, and since WWII and WWI we've developed greatly in terms of weaponry. We, as well as many other countries, now have the power to cause a devastating nuclear war, but that power in itself is actually what keeps us from creating such wars. Basically, such powerful forces are not ones to be reckoned with. When nuclear weapons come into play, we're talking about casualties that could literally lie in the billions. The amount of devastation such force could cause is counter-productive to the intentions of war, and therefore the possibility of a WWIII occurring, while still possible, is unlikely.

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That assumption depends on the sanity of the players involved.

PirateMk1 said:

That assumption depends on the sanity of the players involved.

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Interesting, the concept of sanity in a process that is by it's very nature insane.

DVSentinel said:

Interesting, the concept of sanity in a process that is by it's very nature insane.

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Sad and ironic isnt it?

Mya said:

if China doesn't get too territorial....

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So what if it does? China won't come to the other side of the pond. The only space to expand is Russia. Are you going to bomb China to defend Russia?

Canell said:

There has been lots of warmongering and gun-waving lately in the Middle East, which could easily spiral into a new world war. Not to mention the debt crisis that we are in. Things look gloomy.
So, have we learned something from the previous two world wars or will we butcher each other again? Can we get out of this mess the human way or the old fashion :blastem: way?

Hm? :roll:

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As you put it “the human way or the old fashion way” are the same thing. The human way is to use whatever weapons are available to kill and destroy. People always use the word humane to represent the finer bits of human nature. Human nature is that of conflict, mass homicide, and forced tragedies.

There will always be those people who hold power over others that will use the power that they hold to commit ruthless acts of violence. There will also be people that will stand up to defend those that cannot defend themselves. There will be a world war three; this war will be fought in a much different way than wars have been fought in the past. If one nation were to cross the line that the United States could not ignore, our armed forces would be able to easily overcome them. In a world war multiple nations collaborate to accomplish certain goals. We have in the past, are now, and in the future will work to find diplomatic means to overcome differences between nations.

There will come a time when a number of nations find themselves committed to destroying or conquering another nation or nations. When this time comes we will either find ourselves aligned with these nations or against them.

Helix said:

innovating a replacement for the current imported oil transportation energy model might make the middle east situation a little less volatile. a good enough solution might also help relations with Russia and China.

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That is a worth wile and lofty goal. Unfortunately it is a goal that will take a lot of time to come to fruition. We are not using oil simply because we choose to; we use oil because it is the best at what it does. Also; getting over the use of oil in a quick manner would do more to exacerbate the situation than to defuse it. Imagine taking away the main economic driver of an entire region/continent. With that kind of economic collapse a war is certain to occur.

AreteCourage said:

World War 3 (if it happens) will be the end of the world as we know it because inevitably it will come down to nuclear bombs.

Like the saying goes: WW3 will be fought with bomb and guns....WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.

Can we prevent it?

Yes.

Will we prevent it?

Unlikely.

Our "leaders" are bound to the same human constraints of egotism and pride that we all are. It is unlikely that a consensus will be reached to prevent a global conflict. I fear that America is partially (if not fully) responsible for it due to our overwhelming military presence in places it doesn't belong. I fear that the apathy a lot of Americans show towards a growing empire is similar to apathy shown by other groups of people throughout history.

We are always looking for the next great threat to the world, but none of us look in the mirror to see the monster looking back at us. Our threats reside in Washington DC...not Kandahar....not Tehran...not Pyongyang. Our Federal government has reached a mass that was NEVER intended. Until the people of this country realize the danger in it...we are doomed to fall in line with its decisions. Decisions that could very well lead us down the path to oblivion.

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I think that these are the quotes that you were looking for.

"If the Third World War is fought with nuclear weapons, the fourth will be fought with bows and arrows."
- Lord Louis Mountbatten

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
- Albert Einstein