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The Food Stamp President

Is it a racist remark?


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What is interesting is that conservatives are the ones accused of racism while it is libs that always bring race up. The reality is conservatives see us all as Americans and base their politics on what is good for America is good for all Americans, the "rising tide lifts all boats" theory. Libs on the other hand break people into every little group they can come up with, blacks, Latinos, poor, rich, women, men and try to pit us all against each other, the "divide and conquer" theory.
 
No. The first time you do it, it might be innocuous enough if you truly don't know that it will be perceived as racist. But when you KNOW that many minorities find it offensive and you continue to do it anyway, then you clearly DON'T respect them or their views.

I respect your opinion on the matter, though I'm forced to disagree since more whites use food stamps then blacks. Anyway, have a good evening.
 
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Then why don't the Democrats turn on the mind-control technique on every other voting bloc too?

You haven't heard of the war on women? How Hispanics need to punish their "enemies"?

Huh? Why would driving a pickup truck be racist? :confused:

well, you tell me. or maybe we should ask kieth olbermann.

the reason we think that the race card has become ridiculous, and the reason why it has become a national joke is because it has been endlessly played by leftists bereft of any other strategy. Wolf has been cried often enough to no legitimate purpose and with no evidence.

so far in this election we saw "the GOP Abuses the Middle Class", and that didn't work. Then the GOP Hated Women, and that didn't work. Then Paul Ryan became the VP pick and Democrats salivated that they'd be able to run on The GOP Hates Old People, but it turned out they were critically vulnerable on the medicare front themselves. So I guess we shouldn't be astonished that we are headed into the time of The GOP Hates Black People. Saddened, perhaps; but not surprised. Old dogs like Matthews rarely learn new tricks.

John Kerry received 56% of the Asian-American vote, and Barack Obama received 62% of the Asian-American vote. But in any case, this is nothing like the 90+ percent of African-Americans which vote Democrat.

Good point. Democrats just hate senior white males. :( Kandahar, why do you hate people based on their age, gender, and race?

That might explain a SLIGHT partisan gap on the part of any voting bloc. It does not explain a 95-5 (or more) voting gap. When a party can't reliably get more than 5% of the vote of an entire race of people, perhaps it's time to consider the possibility that there is something wrong with the party rather than the voters.

so let me get this straight. your defense of the evidence-free charge that to talk about welfare reform and food stamps is racist is that black people vote overwhelmingly democrat?

Has he claimed that blacks have been brainwashed by Democrats? If so, then yes, that's racist. But it's not like Herman Cain's target audience is black people anyway. :roll:

so you argue that herman cain is racist against black people because he claims that many african americans have been brainwashed by the democrat party?

I would like to see Republicans do better among black voters too...it isn't good for the health of our democracy for one party to be so utterly alienating to an entire race of people.

Me as well, there is significant overlap between the Republican party and the african american populace; from social conservatism to education reform. But we also have a party who is very good and very practiced at convincing the african american populace that that party is racist.

which is stupid. people racially biased against blacks wouldn't hold up Allen West as a hero and rush to defend even his more incideniary comments. there are too many notable african americans in the conservative movement who are accepted and championed not because they are a token but because of their ideology and ability to express it. Today there is only one party who seeks to judge people by the color of their skin rather than the content of their character, and that is the party which seeks to racially divide us in order to ensure that minorities remain in its' camp.
 
You haven't heard of the war on women? How Hispanics need to punish their "enemies"?
I've heard of that. Women...Hispanics...gays...blacks. The list goes on. Republicans are in fact behind all wars on minorities and do indeed need to be punished for it. They know it, too. This is why they have to go after organizations like ACORN and raise stupid Chicken Little alarms about non-exidstent voter fraud in simple attempts to suppress minority voting. Despicable bunch, the Republicans.
 
Why are Blacks, Hispanics and minorities considered lazy ? What it is that qualifies the word lazy in that regard.

It is called a stereotype. You are too young to remember Reagan and his "Welfare Queen"? Republicans have been milking it ever since.
 
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It is called a stereotype. You are too young to remember Reagan and his "Welfare Queen"? Republicans have been milking it ever since.
Yup, even though the press (still a semi-respectable bunch back then) tracked down the actual woman he was refering to and found that her circumstances were plainly not what Reagan had descibed them as. Even the prototype was a fraud in this case, but Republcians don't care. Never let a good lie go to waste.
 
It is called a stereotype. You are too young to remember Reagan and his "Welfare Queen"? Republicans have been milking it ever since.

My question can be called "teasing the truth" out of a poster as to why they would use racial epitaphs, stereotypes, innuendo and unfounded derisive comments about any group; racial, ethnic or otherwise.
 
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You haven't heard of the war on women? How Hispanics need to punish their "enemies"?

Well why don't Democrats just do it to white males too, and win every election with 95% of the vote? Why do you suppose some groups are more susceptible to this kind of brainwashing than others? :roll:

well, you tell me. or maybe we should ask kieth olbermann.

I really have no idea what the pick up truck comment was about; I almost never watch Keith Olbermann as I find him incredibly obnoxious. Is he even still on the air?

the reason we think that the race card has become ridiculous, and the reason why it has become a national joke is because it has been endlessly played by leftists bereft of any other strategy. Wolf has been cried often enough to no legitimate purpose and with no evidence.

If it's just a matter of crying wolf, then Republicans would be doing better than 5% among black voters. Some of them would see through the ruse, just like any other voting bloc.

Good point. Democrats just hate senior white males. :( Kandahar, why do you hate people based on their age, gender, and race?

A few key differences between Democrats doing poorly among senior white males, and Republicans doing poorly among blacks:

1) Democrats don't really do THAT poorly among senior white males. I don't know if any exit polls get that specific, but I'd bet they still get 30-40% of that vote. Far more than the 0-5% of the black vote Republicans receive.
2) Democrats have plenty of senior white males among their ranks; probably at least half of Democratic senators fall into that category.
3) Democrats talk about issues that senior white males actually care about (e.g. Medicare, social security). Those voters might not always agree with the policy prescriptions the Democrats offer, but at least the Democrats listen to them and make an effort to address their concerns. Contrast that with the Republican approach to black voters, which is basically to tell them that either their concerns are completely invalid, or that they've been brainwashed by the Democrats, or that they're only imagining that the Republican Party doesn't have their best interests at heart.
4) Democrats don't regularly use coded language specifically to malign senior white males, then continue doing it after they get called on it.

So no, your example is NOT the same. The fact that some voting blocs are more Democratic or Republican than an exact 50-50 split isn't in itself evidence of any animosity of the party toward those voters. But a 95-5 partisan split, combined with complaints of rhetoric and policies that hurt the group in question, combined with strident denials and refusal to change on the part of the party in question, would certainly suggest that.

so let me get this straight. your defense of the evidence-free charge that to talk about welfare reform and food stamps is racist is that black people vote overwhelmingly democrat?

I'm saying that the fact that blacks perceive these debates as racially charged, combined with the Republican insistence on continuing the same line of attack ANYWAY, combined with the electoral results of overwhelming black disaffection with the Republican Party, points to that conclusion.

so you argue that herman cain is racist against black people because he claims that many african americans have been brainwashed by the democrat party?

I'm not familiar with Herman Cain's comments. But if he's going on about black people being brainwashed, then yes, that's absolutely racist, as it calls into question the intelligence or critical thinking abilities of an entire race of people.

Me as well, there is significant overlap between the Republican party and the african american populace; from social conservatism to education reform. But we also have a party who is very good and very practiced at convincing the african american populace that that party is racist.

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Perhaps it's because the Republicans don't bother to talk to black voters about their views on social issues or education reform. Instead, they want to talk about the "food stamp president" and enact odious voter ID laws.

which is stupid. people racially biased against blacks wouldn't hold up Allen West as a hero and rush to defend even his more incideniary comments.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is. It's not necessarily an outright hatred of black people. There is nothing inconsistent at all about being racist and defending a black person's comments, or even voting for a black person. There are plenty of racist Democrats who peddle the "I'm not racist because I voted for Obama" crap, which is just the newest variant on "I'm not racist because I have a black friend." This is especially true if the person has reason to see the black politician as an EXCEPTION to the stereotypes of his race.
 
This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is. It's not necessarily an outright hatred of black people. There is nothing inconsistent at all about being racist and defending a black person's comments, or even voting for a black person. There are plenty of racist Democrats who peddle the "I'm not racist because I voted for Obama" crap, which is just the newest variant on "I'm not racist because I have a black friend." This is especially true if the person has reason to see the black politician as an EXCEPTION to the stereotypes of his race.
Pretty much all of that was very well put, but I particularly liked the part above. People desperately seek to deny their own racism. Maybe this will help some to think a little more about that.
 
My question can be called "teasing the truth" out of a poster as to why they would use racial epitaphs, stereotypes, innuendo and unfounded derisive comments about any group; racial, ethnic or otherwise.
Hey, hey, hey, don't for one minute think that I'm the one promoting and using such stereo types or the southern strategy. If you'd just read the damn links I had provided maybe you'd better understand what wtf I'm talking about instead of jumping to false conclusions.
 
as i recall you are a woman from the north-mid-west. As a conservative deep southern male, allow me to assure you, you have no idea what you are talking about :)
Tell that to the GOP since they're the ones using blacks as scapegoats to get your vote.
 
I found some of your remarks very insightful. I agree, watermelons and chicken can be used in a derogatory way and I totally agree can be a racist remark. However in my lifetime, I have never known "food stamps" to have the same implied meaning. You say that it is the way it is perceived by blacks, I'm sorry but I just cant buy that one. You look at Sharpton and Jessy Jackson, a white person can not open their mouth without being called a racist. It has come to the point the left cries "Racist" so often it has lost its meaning.

I dont care if it is a Woman, Mexican, Black or any other minority, when you are President of our country, there is going to be heat in the kitchen. No matter who you are , you're are going to be critizied, just suck it up and deal with it instead of whinning all the time
 
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Hey, hey, hey, don't for one minute think that I'm the one promoting and using such stereo types or the southern strategy. If you'd just read the damn links I had provided maybe you'd better understand what wtf I'm talking about instead of jumping to false conclusions.


I do not think you are promoting this nor do I question your sincerity. I read the links I am simply repulsed by the whole idea as both the target of this nonsense is portrayed in such a manner and the target of the information is also treated in such a derisive manner for shoving this crap down their throats.
 
Certainly I would say there is something racist about that. Spear-chucker is a racist term. That being said, welfare and food stamps are not racist terms.

Porch Monkey: a derogatory way of describing an person of African decent.

A derogatory for a person of african or african american decent. BUT it could also mean a generally lazy person. This term came to be when you think of african americans sitting on there porch chatting it up.

Someone without a job that sits on their porch all day drink'n 40's, and trading food stamps for crack.

A person, of African descent, usually found in the Southern states of the United States. Porch Monkeys were commonly found sitting on their porches doing little or nothing all day. Usually found on Plantations or large land lots with a house/shack of some sort including a porch. An Alabama Porch Monkey

Urban Dictionary: porch monkey


Since your a good ol southern boy, cpwill, do southerners associate "porch monkey's" with welfare and foodstamps? According that definition above, it sure looks they do.
 
No. The first time you do it, it might be innocuous enough if you truly don't know that it will be perceived as racist. But when you KNOW that many minorities find it offensive and you continue to do it anyway, then you clearly DON'T respect them or their views.

Any more offensive than what some loving lib did to Mia Loves Wiki?

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THIS is what happens when anyone of color steps out of line and joins the republicans... and you wonder why there aren't more?
 
Any more offensive than what some loving lib did to Mia Loves Wiki?

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THIS is what happens when anyone of color steps out of line and joins the republicans... and you wonder why there aren't more?
That is dispicable. But since you didn't provide a link I question whether or not it was a liberal who did that and not a conservative such as a Breitbart goon trying to make liberals look bad. If your source was Breitbart or any of it's affiliates in the rightwing bloggosphere then you have already answered my question.
 
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Any more offensive than what some loving lib did to Mia Loves Wiki?

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THIS is what happens when anyone of color steps out of line and joins the republicans... and you wonder why there aren't more?

Really dude? You're citing some anonymous troll on Wikipedia as an explanation for why Republicans can't get more than 5% of black voters?
 
That is dispicable. But since you didn't provide a link I question whether or not it was a liberal who did that and not a conservative such as a Breitbart goon trying to make liberals look bad. If your source was Breitbart or any of it's affiliates in the rightwing bloggosphere then you have already answered my question.


Here is one article I have not seen where any particular source is cited for the wiki defacement. There seems to be some comments about it which claim that liberals wrote them. When it comes to wiki I look askance at any "information" and need the specific sources before being convinced.

Sick: Wikipedia entry calls Mia Love ‘dirty, worthless whore’ and ‘House Nigger’ | Twitchy
 
Here is one article I have not seen where any particular source is cited for the wiki defacement. There seems to be some comments about it which claim that liberals wrote them. When it comes to wiki I look askance at any "information" and need the specific sources before being convinced.

Sick: Wikipedia entry calls Mia Love ‘dirty, worthless whore’ and ‘House Nigger’ | Twitchy

It appears the defacing occured around 2am and Wiki fixed it back around 3am and it was all over the right wing bloggosphere by 10 am this morning. I find that more than a little curious, especially considering few people know who Mia Love is outside of SLC. It's also interesting that most of those rightwing websites are asking for donations to Mia Love's campaign.
 
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The defacing occured around midnight last night and it was all over the right wing bloggosphere within hours. I find that more than a little curious.

Same here. Until there is a verified source anyone could have done this. There are public relations advantages for Mia Love no matter who did it so I am of the mind to wait and see. I never heard of this woman before this situation now I know who she is.
 
Porch Monkey: a derogatory way of describing an person of African decent.

A derogatory for a person of african or african american decent. BUT it could also mean a generally lazy person. This term came to be when you think of african americans sitting on there porch chatting it up.

Someone without a job that sits on their porch all day drink'n 40's, and trading food stamps for crack.

A person, of African descent, usually found in the Southern states of the United States. Porch Monkeys were commonly found sitting on their porches doing little or nothing all day. Usually found on Plantations or large land lots with a house/shack of some sort including a porch. An Alabama Porch Monkey

Urban Dictionary: porch monkey


Since your a good ol southern boy, cpwill, do southerners associate "porch monkey's" with welfare and foodstamps? According that definition above, it sure looks they do.

No, the older ones associate "porch monkey" with blacks, and the younger ones associate "porch monkey" with Clerks II. If there is a secondary association of "porch monkey" with "welfare/foodstamps" then it is no stronger than the same association with those two programs and people who are "white trash".
 
Tell that to the GOP since they're the ones using blacks as scapegoats to get your vote.

:lol: no they're not, and they wouldn't get our vote if they did.
 
No, the older ones associate "porch monkey" with blacks, and the younger ones associate "porch monkey" with Clerks II. If there is a secondary association of "porch monkey" with "welfare/foodstamps" then it is no stronger than the same association with those two programs and people who are "white trash".
Don't you mean the "tea party?"

:lol: no they're not, and they wouldn't get our vote if they did.
What do you mean "our" vote? Are you trying to say that you have more than one vote at the ballot box?
 
Well why don't Democrats just do it to white males too, and win every election with 95% of the vote?

gotta run to work - but you can't both run by telling blacks that evil white men are out to "put them back in chains" and run by telling whites that evil blacks are out to, I don't know, do whatever evil blacks would do.

Why do you suppose some groups are more susceptible to this kind of brainwashing than others?

I don't know, you would have to ask the african american spokesmen and women who have described it. But if I had to hazard a guess I would propose that the atrocious public school system that we doom a larger percentage of our african american populace to has something to do with it, as does our push decades ago to get a larger percentage of the african american populace on public assistance. people on the dole will vote for the party of the dole.

I really have no idea what the pick up truck comment was about; I almost never watch Keith Olbermann as I find him incredibly obnoxious. Is he even still on the air?

He does some kind of internet-stream, I think. He got kicked off of Al Gore's network apparently for being too much of a drama queen.

If it's just a matter of crying wolf, then Republicans would be doing better than 5% among black voters.

not really. like older people being more susceptible to mediscare, african americans are more susceptible to blaming the ills of the world on racism.

Some of them would see through the ruse, just like any other voting bloc.

yes. they are generally called "oreos", "house n-----rs", "aunt jemima's", and all other sorts of pleasant names. there is an incredibly self-destructive set of social pressures at play within the African American community - from the above mentioned to the notion that "education is a white thing" and that having baby-mama's makes you more of a man.

A few key differences between Democrats doing poorly among senior white males, and Republicans doing poorly among blacks:

1) Democrats don't really do THAT poorly among senior white males. I don't know if any exit polls get that specific, but I'd bet they still get 30-40% of that vote. Far more than the 0-5% of the black vote Republicans receive.

So 30-40%, much like the 5%, still fail to see that the Democrats hate them because that's how sneaky Democrats are. You manage to keep your hatred of the elderly quiet, you use dog-whistles that only other ageists can hear.


(In a non-falsifiable thesis such as the one you have proposed, absence of evidence is corroboration, as is evidence of absence.)

2) Democrats have plenty of senior white males among their ranks; probably at least half of Democratic senators fall into that category.

and Republicans have plenty of minorities in their ranks as well. Democrat "tokens" and "self-hating older white men" don't excuse their bias.

3) Democrats talk about issues that senior white males actually care about (e.g. Medicare, social security).

yes, and Republicans talk about education reform, which black voters actually (deeply) care about, and traditional marriage, which black voters overwhelmingly support.

4) Democrats don't regularly use coded language specifically to malign senior white males, then continue doing it after they get called on it.

that is because the coded language exists only in your imagination.

however, I can play this game too: whenever Demcorats talk about the great things that obamacare is going to do for us, they are talking about the IPAB (ie: the Death Panel) finally getting rid of older voters who do not support their party. When they talk about finding "efficiencies" in Medicare, this is a dog-whistle to the other ageists out there; it gets them all riled up, and fires up the Democrat base, which secretly hates the elderly, but can't come out and openly say it.

I'm saying that the fact that blacks perceive these debates as racially charged, combined with the Republican insistence on continuing the same line of attack ANYWAY, combined with the electoral results of overwhelming black disaffection with the Republican Party, points to that conclusion.

no, it doesn't. firstly, for this debate, you had shelby steele (who is black) telling chris matthews (who is white) that he was nuts because the white guy was choosing to try to make a story about racism. To the extent that blacks do see this debate as racially charged it is because of people like Matthews and yourself who have a vested interest in ensuring that they do.

I'm not familiar with Herman Cain's comments. But if he's going on about black people being brainwashed, then yes, that's absolutely racist, as it calls into question the intelligence or critical thinking abilities of an entire race of people.

not really - intelligent people can be brainwashed as well. nor does it call into question someones' genetic ability; not when we are sending african american kids to the schools that we do. but the idea that herman caine is as racist against black people is ridiculous as the notion that I am racist against white 30 year olds.

It's a neat (although not terribly subtle) line of attack. Any minority who breaks from the democrat line must be evil to the extent that they do so.

Perhaps it's because the Republicans don't bother to talk to black voters about their views on social issues or education reform. Instead, they want to talk about the "food stamp president" and enact odious voter ID laws

we talk about the food stamp president to the population at large, and (wait for it) much like the rest of the nation, a large majority of african americans support voter ID laws.

This is a fundamental misunderstanding of what racism is. It's not necessarily an outright hatred of black people. There is nothing inconsistent at all about being racist and defending a black person's comments, or even voting for a black person. There are plenty of racist Democrats who peddle the "I'm not racist because I voted for Obama" crap, which is just the newest variant on "I'm not racist because I have a black friend." This is especially true if the person has reason to see the black politician as an EXCEPTION to the stereotypes of his race.

what, you mean like for example if he thought that finally a nice, clean black guy had come along who spoke with no negro dialect unless he wanted to?
 
Don't you mean the "tea party?"

no, I mean the term "white trash", which is equally linked (and more heavily prevalent) to welfare, food stamps, the dole, etc.

the "Tea Party" was disproportionately made up of people with higher education levels, higher incomes, and small business owners.

What do you mean "our" vote? Are you trying to say that you have more than one vote at the ballot box?

southern white males.
 
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