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    Re: The Food Stamp President

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    He portrays himself as a "Socialist" but Marxist is a much more definitive label_
    Yes of course that`s the case Empirica.

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    If it was simply a matter of falsely screaming racism for political reasons, then why can't the Republican Party manage to get more than 10% of the African-American vote? I mean, surely SOME of these voters would see through the Democratic ruse of screaming racism for political reasons? Surely some of them are just as smart as you are, in your infinite wisdom?

    Unless of course you're going to argue that they're a hive mind who can't think for themselves, and/or that the Democrats have thoroughly brainwashed nearly all of them, which is, incidentally, ****ing racist.
    well there are two ways to look at that

    The GOP policies are upsetting to blacks

    or blacks have been brainwashed into thinking the dems are their only solution

    or more likely-black leaders derive their power by convincing their minions that being dependent on the dems is best for them as a group

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    As are associations with food stamps and welfare and whatnot.
    No.
    You know perfectly well that this stereotype exists, regardless of whether it immediately comes to mind for YOU.
    Sure it does. But not along strict (or even loose) racial lines. I've heard that stereotype and insult thrown at poor and/or trashy white people plenty of times in popular culture, and even moreso in my personal experience. Can't say the same about watermelon and spear-chucking. See the difference?
    By this same logic, since you acknowledged the existence of the stereotype that blacks are spear-chucking savages, it means that you agree with it and are a racist. Yes?
    Sorry, not biting. I am acknowledging well established racial stereotypes that are strictly used against black people, thus making them racist stereotypes. You, on the other hand, are taking an economic status stereotype and twisting it along racial lines to make it racist. And again, the fact that you (and not I) want to apply that stereotype to only black people shows your racial bias. Either that or grossly disingenuous partisan politics, for the sake of this particular issue and debate. Take your pick.

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    well there are two ways to look at that

    The GOP policies are upsetting to blacks
    This is true. But blacks vote more Democratic than whites at EVERY level of the socioeconomic ladder. So it's obviously something more than just economic policies. What kinds of "GOP policies" are you referring to?

    or blacks have been brainwashed into thinking the dems are their only solution
    This is, itself, an incredibly racist way to view black voters. Why haven't the Democrats also brainwashed all the white people too? Are they just smarter than the blacks?

    or more likely-black leaders derive their power by convincing their minions that being dependent on the dems is best for them as a group
    This is just a variant on your second point above. Why has this brainwashing (whether by Democrats or by unnamed "black leaders") been so incredibly effective? And why haven't the Democrats applied the same technique on every other voting bloc?

    In-group identity and/or economic policies might explain SOME of the variance (just as most voting blocs are not 50-50 Democrat/Republican), but it certainly isn't sufficient to explain why Republicans can't even break into double-digits among African-Americans. And yet all the Republicans here will continue to swear up and down that there is nothing whatsoever about their policies and/or rhetoric that African-Americans specifically should find offensive. I guess it's easier to do that than actually LISTEN to their concerns and try to address them.
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is true. But blacks vote more Democratic than whites at EVERY level of the socioeconomic ladder. So it's obviously something more than just economic policies. What kinds of "GOP policies" are you referring to?



    This is, itself, an incredibly racist way to view black voters. Why haven't the Democrats also brainwashed all the white people too? Are they just smarter than the blacks?



    This is just a variant on your second point above. Why has this brainwashing (whether by Democrats or by unnamed "black leaders") been so incredibly effective? And why haven't the Democrats applied the same technique on every other voting bloc?

    In-group identity and/or economic policies might explain SOME of the variance (just as most voting blocs are not 50-50 Democrat/Republican), but it certainly isn't sufficient to explain why Republicans can't even break into double-digits among African-Americans. And yet all the Republicans here will continue to swear up and down that there is nothing whatsoever about their policies and/or rhetoric that African-Americans specifically should find offensive. I guess it's easier to do that than actually LISTEN to their concerns and try to address them.
    why don't you explain to us why the blacks have really been helped by dem policies. why their rates of illegitimacy have gone through the roof. why black males make up more than 50% of those doing time or awaiting execution for murder. why blacks of all socioeconomic groups are way behind similarly situated whites in terms of education

    we have spent trillions on dem inspired poverty programs-why haven't things changed

    did it ever occur to you that telling people-directly and indirectly-that they really aren't capable might be what is really holding them back. That excusing social pathologies only allows those problems to continue

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    What's wrong with a government agency running ads to encourage those eligible for a government program to apply to it?
    Not giving people much credit or ingenuity to acquire government assistance it seems. So not only do people need financial assistance from the government, they also need the assistance to find the government assistance by the government spending between $2.5-3 million in taxpayer dollars to say "here it is."

    No wonder people are dependent on the government.
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Here's the thing that some of you don't seem to understand about racism: White people don't get to decide what minorities are and aren't allowed to find racist. You KNOW perfectly well that they consider associations with food stamps to be racist, and I'm sure Newt Gingrich knows that too. So when you CONTINUE to make these kind of remarks knowing perfectly well that they are perceived as racist, you no longer get to claim that it's just some innocuous misunderstanding. At the very least, it's purposely being an asshole to people on account of their race. I'm not sure if you can draw a distinction between that and "racist comments," but it comes pretty damn close.

    Think of it this way. Suppose you have a friend, and you say something that hurts your friend's feelings (it doesn't really matter what you said). Suppose you didn't INTEND to offend her, but she interpreted it differently than you meant it. Which of the following do you think is a better response, assuming you actually respect this friend and want her to continue to like you?
    (A) "I'm sorry that my comments offended you. I didn't realize that they would have that effect, but since I respect you, I won't make those kind of comments again."
    (B) "You have no right to be offended. You're always playing that card. And by the way, I'm going to continue saying exactly those kind of comments."

    And Republicans wonder why nearly 100% of blacks vote against them...
    And then there is another way to look at it,

    To ask her WHY she was offended... was it something that she was SELF-CONSCIOUS of, and didn't like being pointed out even though it hurts her... like saying something against an abusive boyfriend...

    WE (all of us) need to take a look at ourselves and all ask the tough questions. I grew up in a world where segregation NEVER EXISTED, it was dead legally before I was born. My family fought against slavery when it existed in the US because we believed that no man has a right to own another men... PERIOD... and I see all people as individuals, each one responsible for the choices we make.

    The ONLY way we as a nation get past racism, is to follow the words of MLK... to judge each man, not by the color of his skin... but by the content of his character.

    To keep playing at the idea of dog-whistles... and ascribed meanings when a person HAS NEVER acted openly that way, is the bad kind of judgemental... you know the kind where you judge your brother with a giant plank sticking out of your eye...

    NO MAN, can see into anothers heart, you can only look into your own... maybe when you hear dog whistles that don't friggin' exist... maybe you should ask why your first idea ALWAYS goes to racism.

    George Romney, the father of Mitt, walked with king... (as did a LOT of republicans) just look back in histroy and you will see which party truely believes in racism... which party gets POWER from keeping us divided... (did someone say somethign about a 95% voting block?)

    Lee Atwater some will say is why the republicans went from being the party of equal rights, and ending slavery... for every man making the most of himself, with the amazing opportunity available to us here in America... and became the party of race and hatred... Maybe those accusing us of racism, should look into their own hearts and see the mirror they are looking into... the only heart any man can see is his own...
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why don't you explain to us why the blacks have really been helped by dem policies.
    No. Stop trying to change the subject.

    why their rates of illegitimacy have gone through the roof. why black males make up more than 50% of those doing time or awaiting execution for murder. why blacks of all socioeconomic groups are way behind similarly situated whites in terms of education

    we have spent trillions on dem inspired poverty programs-why haven't things changed

    did it ever occur to you that telling people-directly and indirectly-that they really aren't capable might be what is really holding them back. That excusing social pathologies only allows those problems to continue
    90+ percent of black voters seem to disagree with you. Or maybe they don't, but they're so repulsed by the Republican Party that they vote Democrat anyway. Either way, it doesn't speak well of the GOP.
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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No. Stop trying to change the subject.



    90+ percent of black voters seem to disagree with you. Or maybe they don't, but they're so repulsed by the Republican Party that they vote Democrat anyway. Either way, it doesn't speak well of the GOP.
    I cannot help that-the GOP shouldn't start pandering to dependency and handouts if that is what it will take

    its sad that self reliance and less dependence on government is apparently anathema to the vast majority of an entire race

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    Re: The Food Stamp President

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I cannot help that-the GOP shouldn't start pandering to dependency and handouts if that is what it will take
    Like I said, blacks vote more Democratic than whites at EVERY level of the socioeconomic ladder. So there's obviously something more than just economic policy at play here.

    its sad that self reliance and less dependence on government is apparently anathema to the vast majority of an entire race

    And with that blatantly racist statement, you just lost your ability to pretend that there's nothing racist in the GOP's policies and/or rhetoric. Thanks for playing.
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